Where are they today?

[Jay]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Bro. Jay,
I know very little about British/Israel, except from what little I have heard. That they believe that America is Manasseh and Great Britian is Ephraiam. Not much.

When the two kingdoms split, Judah and Israel, were divided. If all Israel will be saved, it will be Judah and Israel reconcilled. All Israel to me means all of Jacob's children will be saved because of the Cross. The middle wall of partition comes down between any race, gender, servant/master, meet at the Cross. Because of Christ's death, burial and resurrection. IN Christ, when we obey the plan of salvation as given in the 2nd chapter of Acts.
After years of regret of seeing their father, Jacob, grieved and the thought of his losing another son. The brothers confessed their sin, Joseph told them
that although their intent was evil, God meant it for good, to save a nation. The nation of Israel.

2 Cor.5:17

17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. IN CHRIST, a New Creation begins.

I have done a bit of reading on it, but I did not understand it at first. The teachings I have read about it seem to indicate that they do not believe that the Jews are really the Jews, that the Germans are actually the Assyrians, Denmark is actually the tribe of Dan, Britain is actually Judah (the kingdom), the United States is truly Ephraim/Manassah, France is Ruben, etc.

Over all it is very Caucasion/Anglo-Saxon centric. The Germans actually seem to have similar view during the years leading to the Holocaust. Further, I find nothing historically to verify the case for that position.

What I have found is that the Jewish people have married into various peoples wherever they have gone, and that is why there are some who look more Middle Eastern, European, or African.They have migrated all over the world. Of course, some of this is because there have been people who converted and intermarried with them.

I believe that all of the Jewish tribes have their bloodlines continued in the modern Jewish people. I also believe that they will eventually be able to divide it into the twelve tribes.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Amos 9:9
For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

Jeremiah 46:28
Do not fear, O Jacob my servant, for I am with you," declares the LORD. "Though I completely destroy all the nations among which I scatter you, I will not completely destroy you. I will discipline you but only with justice; I will not let you go entirely unpunished."

Just a thought!

Falla39

God scattered Israel just like He said HE would do. He would sift them so
fine (as corn is sifted in a sieve.) Can you imagine Israel being sifted fine
like cornmeal among all nations. Seems to me that after being sifted and
being scattered like that, they wouldn't know whose or who they were.

Falla39

[Jay]

Originally Posted by Falla39

God scattered Israel just like He said HE would do. He would sift them so
fine (as corn is sifted in a sieve.) Can you imagine Israel being sifted fine
like cornmeal among all nations. Seems to me that after being sifted and
being scattered like that, they wouldn't know whose or who they were.

Falla39

I do agree with you on that. However, I also believe that He was serious when he said that he would call them back to the land of Israel. All twelve tribes (with the possible exception of Dan which as never been explained by Scripture) were living in the territories of Judah and Benjemin. A large migration occured during the reign of Rehoboam son of Solomon. These were given place.

However, the vast majority of the ten tribes were lost to history because they blended in with the people that the Assyrians scattered them among. The only exceptions were those who were sent back to teach the new immigrants to northern Canaan the ways of God. These intermarried and became the Samaritans, a people who were both Hebrew and gentile, and worshipers of Jehovah and idols. This mixture offended the repatriated Jews after 70 years of Babylonian captivity, and was still in effect during Jesus day.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Galatians 6:14-16

14 But far be it from me to boast, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world hath been crucified unto me, and I unto the world.

15 For neither is circumcision anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.

16 And as many as shall walk by this rule, peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Doesn't matter whether Jew (circumcision) or Gentile (uncircumcision), bond or free, male or female. But what does matter is that we are IN Christ and have become part of the New Creation, The NEW, TRUE ISRAEL OF GOD!

2 Corinthians 5:17
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new".

[Jay]

I hope that you do not perceive me as arguing with you over this, for I am not. Israel is still His bride, and I am glad that I get to be part of it as an ingrafted branch.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Jay

I hope that you do not perceive me as arguing with you over this, for I am not. Israel is still His bride, and I am glad that I get to be part of it as an ingrafted branch.

Not at all, Bro. Jay! I do not like arguing but do like to dialogue as communication brings more understanding! I have been dialoguing on AFF since 2007. Before that there was FCF (FaithChildForum and then NewFaithChildForum). I became a member of FCF in 2004. Met many wonderful people on the forum. Since 2007 alone, I have posted over 6800 posts on AFF. That's a lot of dialoguing!

Blessings,

Falla39

[Jay]

I agree. That is a lot of dialogue. I am now upwords of 1000 posts myself since last year. (Sadly, I think I do more arguing than dialoguing.)

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Jay

I hope that you do not perceive me as arguing with you over this, for I am not. Israel is still His bride, and I am glad that I get to be part of it as an ingrafted branch.

Old natural Israel (fleshly) - New spiritual Israel (spiritual)

Romans 2:28-29 KJV

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Jay

I have done a bit of reading on it, but I did not understand it at first. The teachings I have read about it seem to indicate that they do not believe that the Jews are really the Jews, that the Germans are actually the Assyrians, Denmark is actually the tribe of Dan, Britain is actually Judah (the kingdom), the United States is truly Ephraim/Manassah, France is Ruben, etc.

Over all it is very Caucasion/Anglo-Saxon centric. The Germans actually seem to have similar view during the years leading to the Holocaust. Further, I find nothing historically to verify the case for that position.

What I have found is that the Jewish people have married into various peoples wherever they have gone, and that is why there are some who look more Middle Eastern, European, or African.They have migrated all over the world. Of course, some of this is because there have been people who converted and intermarried with them.

I believe that all of the Jewish tribes have their bloodlines continued in the modern Jewish people. I also believe that they will eventually be able to divide it into the twelve tribes.

Jay this is what I was looking for. Where did you find it?

I have also heard that the Cherokee Indians where Jewish.????

[Jay]

I have a book that was written nearly 30 years ago, I read it a number of years ago, and he explained the position. However, when I started comparing it with the Bible, it made no sense. I am sure that there are a number of books that can explain what it is.

As for the Cherokee tribe, the Mormons were the ones to popularize that. However, DNA testing has eliminated any possibility of them being a lost tribe of Israelite.