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Old 01-17-2012, 09:41 AM
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Re: Question about "speaking in tongues"

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Old 01-17-2012, 11:05 AM
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Re: Question about "speaking in tongues"

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1 Cor. 14 needs to be read again by most Pentecostals, and tongue-talkers. It would bring much less confusion in the services!

About the bolded above - a family member did just that - took 1 Cor. 14 to his pastor, and guess what, he screamed and yelled at him for being in rebellion and not just coming to church and learning, and trying to study things for himself, and was told not to bring questionable scriptures to him in question, but just sit and listen in church, and he would get all the answers he needed.

So good luck with going to the pastor.... most OP preachers don't want to deal with the implications of 1 Cor 14. Although most certainly one should try. My family member - left the church eventually over the issue of not being allowed to question ANYTHING at all. Thank God, he finally found his way back to God years later, only by the mercies of God, and a praying mother...
What the pastor did to your family member and one of the Lord's sheep tells us where his heart was. That's sad but not uncommon, and I'm glad he finally left, we are the church and ministers are called to feed the flock of God not beat them into submission.

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Old 01-17-2012, 11:34 AM
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Re: Question about "speaking in tongues"

There is a time for the entire church to pray in tongues. Ideally a prayer meeting or in their homes privately. However, if one is addressing the congregation and speaking in tongues it should be two or at most by three... and there should be an interpreter.
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Old 01-17-2012, 03:24 PM
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Re: Question about "speaking in tongues"

In connection to my earlier post about praying with 'our spirit' in a language that cannot be understood by anyone but God.

I said earlier that we can pray in the 'spirit language' at 'anytime' to edify, build yourself up and talk to God, but I have learned that we should wait on the Spirit during our prayer time to inspire and empower us to pray with 'our spirit'. I say this because if we go around praying in tongues anytime and anywhere it leaves room for the flesh and it can become just another something we 'do' by our own efforts and not by the Spirit.

I was doing this myself, just walking around the house speaking in tongues and it became like a habit and was just something I did. I repented of this today and asked the Father for forgiveness, and as I did so I felt a great release and breakthrough!
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Re: Question about "speaking in tongues"

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In connection to my earlier post about praying with 'our spirit' in a language that cannot be understood by anyone but God.

I said earlier that we can pray in the 'spirit language' at 'anytime' to edify, build yourself up and talk to God, but I have learned that we should wait on the Spirit during our prayer time to inspire and empower us to pray with 'our spirit'. I say this because if we go around praying in tongues anytime and anywhere it leaves room for the flesh and it can become just another something we 'do' by our own efforts and not by the Spirit.

I was doing this myself, just walking around the house speaking in tongues and it became like a habit and was just something I did. I repented of this today and asked the Father for forgiveness, and as I did so I felt a great release and breakthrough!
Many, if not most at the church I attend now advocate the "regular practice" of speaking in tongues. Not practicing as if you're trying to learn Spanish, but practice speaking in tongues at will, if you have already been filled with the Holy Spirit.

The Assembly of God teaches the initial evidence doctrine as well.


Whenever I was in the conversation, I have firmly stated that I do not believe the Gift of Tongues should be "practiced" or anything that comes close to making that gift seem common to me.

Still, I know single guys who tell me that whenever they are tempted, the best way for them to deal with the immediate matter at hand is to start speaking in tongues.
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Old 01-17-2012, 04:37 PM
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Still, I know single guys who tell me that whenever they are tempted, the best way for them to deal with the immediate matter at hand is to start speaking in tongues.
English also works.
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English also works.
Which then addresses the crux of the matter. What is of utmost importance is that the heart is in touch with God - "the inner man". That is of much greater import than the sounds that are made.
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Re: Question about "speaking in tongues"

Interesting article, concerning praying in tongues.
Likely to get some negative responses...LOL

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Is praying in tongues a prayer language between a believer and God?"

There are four primary Scripture passages that are cited as evidence for praying in tongues: Romans 8:26; 1 Corinthians 14:4-17; Ephesians 6:18; and Jude verse 20. Ephesians 6:18 and Jude 20 mention “praying in the Spirit.” However, tongues as a prayer language is not a likely interpretation of “praying in the Spirit.”

Romans 8:26 teaches us, “In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express.” Two key points make it highly unlikely that Romans 8:26 is referring to tongues as a prayer language. First, Romans 8:26 states that it is the Spirit who “groans,” not believers. Second, Romans 8:26 states that the “groans” of the Spirit “cannot be expressed.” The very essence of speaking in tongues is uttering words.

That leaves us with 1 Corinthians 14:4-17 and verse 14 especially: “For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.” First Corinthians 14:14 distinctly mentions “praying in tongues.” What does this mean? First, studying the context is immensely valuable. First Corinthians chapter 14 is primarily a comparison/contrast of the gift of speaking in tongues and the gift of prophecy. Verses 2-5 make it clear that Paul views prophecy as a gift superior to tongues. At the same time, Paul exclaims the value of tongues and declares that he is glad that he speaks in tongues more than anyone (verse 18).

Acts chapter 2 describes the first occurrence of the gift of tongues. On the day of Pentecost, the apostles spoke in tongues. Acts chapter 2 makes it clear that the apostles were speaking in a human language (Acts 2:6-8). The word translated “tongues” in both Acts chapter 2 and 1 Corinthians chapter 14 is glossa which means “language.” It is the word from which we get our modern English word “glossary.” Speaking in tongues was the ability to speak in a language the speaker does not know, in order to communicate the gospel to someone who does speak that language. In the multicultural area of Corinth, it seems that the gift of tongues was especially valuable and prominent. The Corinthians believers were able to better communicate the gospel and God’s Word as a result of the gift of tongues. However, Paul made it abundantly clear that even in this usage of tongues, it was to be interpreted or “translated” (1 Corinthians 14:13, 27). A Corinthian believer would speak in tongues, proclaiming God’s truth to someone who spoke that language, and then that believer, or another believer in the church, was to interpret what was spoken so that the entire assembly could understand what was said.

What, then, is praying in tongues, and how is it different than speaking in tongues? First Corinthians 14:13-17 indicates that praying in tongues is also to be interpreted. As a result, it seems that praying in tongues was offering a prayer to God. This prayer would minister to someone who spoke that language, but would also need to be interpreted so that the entire body could be edified.

This interpretation does not agree with those who view praying in tongues as a prayer language. This alternate understanding can be summarized as follows: praying in tongues is a personal prayer language between a believer and God (1 Corinthians 13:1) that a believer uses to edify himself (1 Corinthians 14:4). This interpretation is unbiblical for the following reasons: 1) How could praying in tongues be a private prayer language if it is to be interpreted (1 Corinthians 14:13-17)? 2) How could praying in tongues be for self-edification when Scripture says that the spiritual gifts are for the edification of the church, not the self (1 Corinthians 12:7). 3) How can praying in tongues be a private prayer language if the gift of tongues is a “sign to unbelievers” (1 Corinthians 14:22)? 4) The Bible makes it clear that not everyone possesses the gift of tongues (1 Corinthians 12:11, 28-30). How could tongues be a gift for self-edification if not every believer can possess it? Do we not all need to be edified?

Some understand praying in tongues to be a “secret code language” that prevents Satan and his demons from understanding our prayers and thereby gaining an advantage over us. This interpretation is unbiblical for the following reasons: 1) The New Testament consistently describes tongues as a human language. It is unlikely that Satan and his demons are unable to understand human languages. 2) The Bible records countless believers praying in their own language, out loud, with no concern of Satan intercepting the prayer. Even if Satan and/or his demons hear and understand the prayers we pray, they have absolutely no power to prevent God from answering the prayers according to His will. We know that God hears our prayers, and that fact makes it irrelevant whether Satan and his demons hear and understand our prayers.

What do we say, then, about the many Christians who have experienced praying in tongues and find it to be very personally edifying? First, we must base our faith and practice on Scripture, not experience. We must view our experiences in light of Scripture, not interpret Scripture in light of our experiences. Second, many of the cults and world religions also report occurrences of speaking in tongues/praying in tongues. Obviously the Holy Spirit is not gifting these unbelieving individuals. So, it seems that the demons are able to counterfeit the gift of speaking in tongues. This should cause us to compare even more carefully our experiences with Scripture. Third, studies have shown how speaking/praying in tongues can be a learned behavior. Through hearing and observing others speak in tongues, a person can learn the procedure, even subconsciously. This is the most likely explanation for the vast majority of instances of speaking/praying in tongues among Christians. Fourth, the feeling of “self-edification” is natural. The human body produces adrenaline and endorphins when it experiences something new, exciting, emotional, and/or disconnected from rational thought.

Praying in tongues is most definitely an issue on which Christians can respectfully and lovingly agree to disagree. Praying in tongues is not what determines salvation. Praying in tongues is not what separates a mature Christian from an immature Christian. Whether or not there is such a thing as praying in tongues as a personal prayer language is not a fundamental of the Christian faith. So, while we believe the biblical interpretation of praying in tongues leads away from the idea of a private prayer language for personal edification, we also recognize that many who practice such are our brothers and sisters in Christ and are worthy of our love and respect.
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Old 01-17-2012, 09:39 PM
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Re: Question about "speaking in tongues"

If you're having trouble accepting that tongues spoken by preachers is real, you need to pray about it, fast about it, and read the word. After a bit of that, I'm sure YOUR problem will be dealt with.
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Re: Question about "speaking in tongues"

Shag, that's a very interesting article, but not unlike the typical position taken by most non Pentecostal/charismatics.

As a sidenote we should only quote portions of articles and then offer a link for further reading... Per AFF rules.
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