Bishop G E Patterson - fussing thread (see other thread for nice things)

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

So its ok if you "judge" the Bishop as saved, but not ok if other "judge" him as not saved?

Nope he died thus he is saved you are unlearned death saves all!!!!


Pope Paul is hearing his confession right at this moment.

[Whole Hearted]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

Be that as it may, you have still tip toed around the questions asked long before your statements were imposed: Can ANYBODY be saved outside of obedience to Acts 2:38?

Again, I've made it clear that that is just the entrance level of salvation and not a 'cure all' that means nothing else matters. Anybody with any maturity knows that.

I still say that, according to scripture, one MUST obey the New Birth to be saved. And, as another stated, you can't promote a false doctrine and be saved. That is a huge chasm in the whole process of being 'Apostolic' while leading false doctrine without an attempt to bring truth to them.

I cannot, even in all of scripture, understand being Apostolic myself and then promoting a false doctrine without paying an eternal price.

Amen Brother preach on.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Sir ... can someone be saved ... prior to completeing THE 3 SEQUENTIAL STEPS ... let's say because their life is cut short? This has been our perennial question .... hasn't it???

NO
James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.


1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Colossians 3:17
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by slave4him

NO
James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.


1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Colossians 3:17
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

What about Anna Nicole??????????????????????????????

[SDG]

I'm looking forward ... to the premiere, gentlemen.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I'm looking forward ... to the premiere, gentlemen.

Sounds like a judgmental program to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am going to listen to Prairie Home Companion where love and peace abounds.

Originally Posted by stmatthew

So its ok if you "judge" the Bishop as saved, but not ok if other "judge" him as not saved?

Wow, now THAT is a thought! I think it's very telling that nobody has said, "You don't have to obey Acts 2:38 to be saved". Now, instead, they say things like, "What about obeying [add any scripture you may wish to add] to be saved". Obviously they know that obedience to all scripture is necessary but they ALSO know that we're talking about getting into the Kingdom of God and walking with Him.

Very telling indeed.

[RunningOnFaith]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I am NOT saying the good Bishop never recieved the Holy Ghost but if he did he certainly did not follow it. The Holy Ghost would lead a preacher to stand and preach for truth. And after a long ministry and still failing to preach truth?
Sorry I don't believe it. And NO it takes MORE than HGB to put you in the body these folks in Corinth had been water baptized in Jesus Name. The focus here is giving everyone their right place in the body through HGB he is not discussing the plan of salvation rather the position and work in the local body. NO ONE is in the church without baptism in Jesus Name.

My main thought on these comments is to emphasize that God is above His sacramental means of grace. God can give the graces of the sacraments apart from the acts themselves. I find it unhelpful to insist that God "cannot" save some because they did not share my view of scripture or were not able to get to the waters of baptism whenever (a) I am not their final judge and (b) they are now in the hands of God anyway. Of course, while we have the opportunity, we should insist on baptism, etc., but once one has died, they are now out of our realm of influence and therefore we trust in God's mercy and justice.

[Nero34]

Does any one have concrete info on Bishop C.H.Mason being baptized in Jesus Name?

[houston]

Originally Posted by Nero34

Does any one have concrete info on Bishop C.H.Mason being baptized in Jesus Name?

Cesar!!!!