Common Myths about Gay Christians

[houston]

Nice to know that Aquila has a new cause. Aquila, maybe they were predestined to be homosexual. A preacher told me that homosexuals can never change, can't be saved.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by houston

Nice to know that Aquila has a new cause. Aquila, maybe they were predestined to be homosexual. A preacher told me that homosexuals can never change, can't be saved.

Well, I know a preacher who wrote to the Corinthian church that had believers who had been homosexuals, and he wrote, "and such were some of you. But you were washed..."

[Jermyn Davidson]

There is no such thing as a gay Christian.

As Christians, we do not find our identities in our failures. We find our identities in Jesus Christ.


Hopefully, I'm not the first person to say and believe this on this thread.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

There is no such thing as a gay Christian.

My friend William has been a born again Apostolic Pentecostal for nearly seven years. We've talked and he told me that he was gay. He explained that he didn't choose it, he was never attracted to women. In college he found himself in the gay lifestyle. Shortly after being saved he decided that he wanted to live for Christ. He's been celibate for nearly seven years now. He admits the orientation hasn't changed. He's just living in victory over the desires of his flesh. Are you saying he's not a Christian?

As Christians, we do not find our identities in our failures. We find our identities in Jesus Christ.

True. But for some, saying they are "gay Christian" acknowledges what they are, and their victory over it.

Hopefully, I'm not the first person to say and believe this on this thread.

You're not. But you can't see it any other way.

As far as I'm concerned one can call themselves a "Martian Christian" if they wish...I'm concerned with them knowing and being a disciple of Jesus.

[Aquila]

So...who is so convinced that being born again eradicates sinful proclivities and orientations?

Would you encourage an alcoholic who was born again to have a drink? After all...if they are born again, they aren't alcoholic any more. Correct?

[Jay]

If your friend is not living a gay lifestyle then he is not gay. He may have to struggle with homosexual proclivities, but that is no different than a straight man dealing with his proclivities. If he ever reverts to that lifestyle, then he will be more gay than he was before.


As for your statement about who Jesus would or would not associate with, I do not believe that He would 'hang out' in the Rainbow District of my city or any other ciity. However, He would interact with them, and try to lead them away from that lifestyle.

I know people who are drunkards, homesexual, fornicators, adulterers, etc. I have done my best to lead each and everyone to a place to hear what the Bible says. If at first I do not succeed, I try again. I am always looking and attempting to find an opening to witness to them about Jesus. I do not fear them, but neither am I going to play games to not offend their sensitivities. I have invited them to church banquets (trying to get them used to the fact that we are not all Westboro wingnuts), and other events. I have not had much success, but I keep praying that God will let me have their souls for His kingdom.

[aegsm76]

Calling themselves a "gay" Christian is just an attempt to rattle some cages.
And attempt to gain approval.
I do not see anyone else using this.
Alcoholic Christian? Wife-beating Christian? Drug addict Christian?
And such WERE some of you.
Not are...

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Jay

If your friend is not living a gay lifestyle then he is not gay. He may have to struggle with homosexual proclivities,

A person with homosexual proclivities is gay. Just like a person with heterosexual proclivities is "straight". I'll prove it with your own words.

but that is no different than a straight man dealing with his proclivities.

Your logic is flawed. Because if one with homosexual proclivities isn't gay...one with heterosexual proclivities isn't straight! lol

The terms "gay" and "straight" are common vernacular for sexual orientation. One is homosexual in nature the other heterosexual in nature. Neither term speaks of "lifestyle" except in your own head. A man can be a "gay priest" living a celibate life of prayer in a monastery.

If he ever reverts to that lifestyle, then he will be more gay than he was before.

So you mean to tell me someone can be a "little gay" as opposed to being "more gay", or "gay-er"??? Lol You have no idea what you're talking about.

As for your statement about who Jesus would or would not associate with, I do not believe that He would 'hang out' in the Rainbow District of my city or any other ciity. However, He would interact with them, and try to lead them away from that lifestyle.

Christ's friendship and love would win them as it did 2000 years ago. Christ's strongest rebukes were given to self righteous religionists. In fact, it can be argued that Jesus may have actually praised the faith of a gay man in the Gospels. Remember the centurion who was too ashamed to allow Jesus into his home to heal his "servant"? While we don't know for sure, it wouldn't be unlikely if one understands the life of the average centurion in ancient Rome.

I know people who are drunkards, homesexual, fornicators, adulterers, etc. I have done my best to lead each and everyone to a place to hear what the Bible says. If at first I do not succeed, I try again. I am always looking and attempting to find an opening to witness to them about Jesus. I do not fear them, but neither am I going to play games to not offend their sensitivities. I have invited them to church banquets (trying to get them used to the fact that we are not all Westboro wingnuts), and other events. I have not had much success, but I keep praying that God will let me have their souls for His kingdom.

The gays I know are in church. Ask yourself why you haven't had much success and then read your words and pray God reveals what they hear when you say these things.

[Aquila]

Moralist chest beating doesn't impress God.

[Falla39]

Matt. 19:12
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

Why does it seem that when people, especially men, don't marry by the time some think they should be married, that they are suspected to be gay. And these men go to church, live a clean life, but they are looked on as suspect! (could they be gay???) I can well remember when a young woman was a certain age, if she wasn't married, she was looked upon or made to feel she was going to be an "old maid". Many rushed into marriage and many of those marriages did not last.

Falla39