Arnold Murray

[JamDat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf2Xa3H0eQI

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by seekerman

I'll be glad when Murray starts his 24/7 programming next week. I can catch him throughout the day, not just late at night.

Great, 24 hour false teaching!

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by JamDat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf2Xa3H0eQI

I always admired red necks, but they should not preach.

[Dordrecht]

bbird009, hopefully you could see the videos before they were censored ?

[bbyrd009]

I reviewed all that stuff years ago. That still doesn't qualify anyone to call him names. I note there isn't a Scripture yet condemning him, just people with fingers. What is that, like 30 years ago? And I'm not sure what you might have him do with someone who is interrupting a broadcast? Which is apparently all this clip is about. There is another, about some prophecy he was expounding on (and like this one, no context provided, just a shot of someone not at their best), again like 30 years ago, that I initially found more damning...don't know if I can find it or not, but I'll look around.

Anyway, I note that you now seem to feel free to call him names? Because you might prove that he isn't perfect in some respect, all his interpretations, that you mostly can't explain any better (and I note, haven't even tried), are now beneath suspicion, but he is the "redneck?" No issues there, huh?

The tone of this attack, notably devoid of any substance, or Scripture, pretty much speaks for itself. I'll say again that I don't agree with everything Murray says; I don't try to. He does seem to have some insight in areas where I do not, and I'm not too worried about zeroing in on what could not possibly edify me, a notable Christian pursuit, but what might, and I note Murray pretty much has gotten away from pointless battles over minor aspects of doctrine.

So, the moment you attempt to judge here, your irrelevancy is pretty much illuminated--the best you can do then is provide your bullet-proof Scriptural argument for what is right, if he is so wrong, or descend into name-calling and denigration in an attempt to achieve what you cannot do justly.

[Dordrecht]

Listen, based on what I see I say he is a "false teacher", you call that name calling? False teachers are mentioned in scripture.

Anyone grabbing a gun while preaching is a "red neck" in my book.

Twist and turn, defend him as much as you want.
His preaching does not line up with scripture.



End of story.

[bbyrd009]

And yet, I still don't get any Scripture in rebuttal; all I apparently need to defend is "he is a redneck."

"False Prophet" remains just your judgement, which, being judgement, is defective out of the gate. Fools are mentioned in Scripture, too.

"Anyone grabbing a gun while preaching is a "red neck" in my book."

Ah, I didn't see any preaching there, I just heard a studio invasion. But thanks for your opinion here. Duly noted. If you ever dig up any actual Scripture that his preaching doesn't line up with, let me know.

And ps, did it ever occur to you to investigate how much of his preaching lines up with Scripture? I'm guessing you are just choking on meat (that you won't even post here) so twist around all you want, think up some new names to call him; maybe dig up some more clips, lol--as long as you studiously avoid anything like a real reply. I'm frankly at a loss as to how you would even know whether any of his teaching lined up with Scripture, or not?
I might even end up agreeing with you, there, ok? But I have yet to hear any.

[Dordrecht]

Ok you are right!

Hopefully this is now the end of your rambling, but I doubt it.

[bbyrd009]

Ya ok he's a redneck, I'm a rambler...yikes.

[bbyrd009]

For what it's worth, Murray does have a "serpent seed" doctrine that apparently causes people some trouble. I'm aware of other "serpent seed" doctrines, and not sure how much his agrees with others--his usually do not.

I can say that Murray would never have this be a condemnation of anyone or group personally, which I think is the gist of some other serpent seed doctrines, but rather an explanation of original sin, Kenites, and, surprise "THY seed and her seed." Repeated quite a bit throughout the Bible, again at I John, etc.

Like most of what many might call his "fringe" theology, I don't think, and Murray certainly doesn't push, that any of this is necessary for salvation, but understanding. I kind of have Matt's attitude now; I don't really care where God takes me in my walk, as long as I'm going, and I trust that God has/will give me discernment for what may lie ahead. And Dordt, I apologize, but I just recently came from your pov, and I understand it, and even respect it, but feel that if one suspends their natural dis-inclination to learn something new that might seem to threaten a cherished "theology," wonderful things will happen.

You are a child of God, and if you are earnestly seeking God you are hedged about with protection. Murray has some other, possibly controversial doctrine, "3 earth ages," etc., but I'd like to get some feedback on the serpent-seed thing first--what is the AP explanation for all the "serpent-seed" references in the Bible? What could "THY seed" mean, if not progeny? What is a Kenite? Is there some alt "serpent seed" doctrine that may not be Biblical, and is intruding here? Ty

This trip is only a couple years old for me, but I can tell you that it has made me aware that my theology, my current one that is, will completely change before I am done here, and that used to be my biggest fear as a Baptist, was that some satanic influence would alter my theology--it just doesn't work like that, imo, you cannot be long deceived more than maybe one step, even as a new Christian, if you are earnest; the fruit will be made plain to you. Ok, that last part is kind of "off the Res," and it's early : )