Why don't we see healings? - Page 12

Michael Phelps · #**111** 03-20-2012, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

What is even worse than THAT is when someone makes a crack about you or someone you know not being healed, or even being killed, because there must be some sin in their life.

Yeah, it's an easy cop out for the miracle peddlers........like snake oil, if it doesn't work, you must be taking it wrong.

bbyrd009 · #**112** 03-20-2012, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay

Which I would claim supports my position of being willing to suffer.

Yup, he was apparently unshaken faith-wise, and his reply, and that given to Job, seems to cover the issue pretty well, imo.

bbyrd009 · #**113** 03-20-2012, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

What is even worse than THAT is when someone makes a crack about you or someone you know not being healed, or even being killed, because there must be some sin in their life.

My wife was 20 or 21 when her mother died and attending a AoG college in Springfield, MO at the time. They gave her a couple of days off for the funeral and to visit then was expected back to class bright and early. They didn't even acknowledge that there MAY be SOME emotional issues to deal with because she had PRAYED, which meant God provided all the comfort she needed. Then to make matters worse one of the admin staff openly wondered about what sin may be in her mother life to have this happen (with Gail and other faculty present in the deans office). Gail shouted "Go to hell!" and walked out. Of course they suspended her for such gross insubordination to "Gods anointed" which hardly mattered because she had literally walked out of the office AND the school permanently.

Yikes, and these are the people training your pastor, lol. Gl with that.

Bro. Robbins · #**114** 03-20-2012, 12:24 PM

I certainly don't want to over spirituallize this, God forbid, lol. But the fact is that there are no recipes, or checklists, or secret formulas to MANIPULATE God into giving us what we want, even a maybe what we think we need, especially in form of healing.

Do I believe that healing is in the covenant atonement of Calvary? Yes. Do I believe that God wants us to all be free from the curse, even in our bodily health? Absolutely.

But God is a God of balance, and those attributes of Him must also be weighed out in balance to the fact that He's also not held to time, or this temporal place to provide a healing. It may come through setting someone free from this flesh and allowing them to come to be with Him. God doesn't deal in matters of Time, but in matters of Timing.

Also, God has a bigger plan, that many times I can't see. He has a greater purpose.

And if we are the vessels that we say we are... and we're so yielded to Him that He can fill us with His Spirit so that we can speak in a language that we've never been taught... then God help us to be yielded enough to allow all of His plan to be played out in our lives.

We've been told to be sheep, not shephards. Followers, not the One directing the path. And shouldn't more time be spent in seeking the Healer than the Healing anyway?

Because if we get more of the Healer, then the healing just doesn't seem as important... or at least not for me it doesn't. I want more of the Blesser, not the blessing.

RandyWayne · #**115** 03-20-2012, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Yikes, and these are the people training your pastor, lol. Gl with that.

While this didn't happen that long ago, it is still 15 years or so and a number of these people have either retired or died off. Granted they did their damage while holding the reins of power, but their poison tongues are no longer talking trash. At least not to the same degree they were.

Jay · #**116** 03-20-2012, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

What is even worse than THAT is when someone makes a crack about you or someone you know not being healed, or even being killed, because there must be some sin in their life.

My wife was 20 or 21 and attending a AoG college in Springfield, MO when her mother died. They gave her a couple of days off for the funeral and to visit then was expected back to class bright and early. They didn't even acknowledge that there MAY be SOME emotional issues to deal with because she had PRAYED, which meant God provided all the comfort she needed. Then to make matters worse one of the admin staff openly wondered about what sin may be in her mother life to have this happen (with Gail and other faculty present in the deans office). Gail shouted "Go to hell!" and walked out. Of course they suspended her for such gross insubordination to "Gods anointed" which hardly mattered because she had literally walked out of the office AND the school permanently with no intent to ever return.

I am sorry that she was burned in such a way. There was no call for them to speculate in such a cruel manner. I have found it best to say nothing, offer my condolences, and listen to the person rather than speculate as what caused the death to occur. Too often the poor survivors are already engaged in that useless endeavor and are not interested in others saying openly what is on their mind privately.

The words of Job are often the best for this situation, "The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away. Blessed be the name of the Lord."

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Yikes, and these are the people training your pastor, lol. Gl with that.

Bible colleges have some benefits, however they are not always filled with the most spiritual people on earth (some of them are not even Christian).

Steve Epley · #**117** 03-20-2012, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lafon

Bro Epley,

Are you stating that there were some, whom the apostles prayed for that were sick or in need of healing, who did not receive it?

Can you provide a specific scriptural passage which lends authenticity to your assertion (the bolded portion)?

You reckon Paul prayed for Timotheus? He left him sick at Miletum.

bbyrd009 · #**118** 03-20-2012, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay

The words of Job are often the best for this situation, "The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away. Blessed be the name of the Lord."

Bible colleges have some benefits, however they are not always filled with the most spiritual people on earth (some of them are not even Christian).

Oh, ya, I was being snide, there is surely more good than bad in them. You are supposed to take whatever someone says with a grain of salt. Hindsight is 20/20, but I'd have sure been asking that Admin if that would have been their answer to Paul's infirmity; and then, when I got a blank look, I'm sure I would not have been kind in that place.

I'm also pretty sure I'd have gotten a refund, lol.

Steve Epley · #**119** 03-20-2012, 12:52 PM

The facts are some get healed and some don't I have no ready answers. I just keep on praying for them. I havve seen many notable miracles and healings. Also I have prayed for some and they got worse and some even dared to die. I don't know why? So I am not going to try to answer for God.

OldPathsII · #**120** 03-20-2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009

It should be noted that Paul suffered what is said to be vision problems for the rest of his life, and was not healed in Scripture. More notably, this story is included in Scripture for a witness. You could hardly question his faith, and yet he was not healed.

"What is said to be......". We don't know that for sure.