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What's sickening to me is those that compare abortion to murdering a baby and then say its okay for abortions to take place in certain circumstances. If abortion is really murder yall need to go all in and propose to ban it in all forms and for all causes.
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Originally Posted by jfrog
What's sickening to me is those that compare abortion to murdering a baby and then say its okay for abortions to take place in certain circumstances. If abortion is really murder yall need to go all in and propose to ban it in all forms and for all causes.
Many of us do.... especially in the most conservative evangelical circles.... not an uncommon stand at all.
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Many of us do.... especially in the most conservative evangelical circles.... not an uncommon stand at all.
I've never heard one of you call a pregnant woman a murderer because she had an abortion when having an innocent little baby would have a good chance of killing her.
I've never heard one of you call a raped woman who had an abortion a murderer either.
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I've never heard one of you call a pregnant woman a murderer because she had an abortion when having an innocent little baby would have a good chance of killing her.
I've never heard one of you call a raped woman who had an abortion a murderer either.
LOL, when I say I'm against abortion, I didn't know that I needed to clarify that I'm against it in all cases..... and frankly, since I've been in this forum, the question of rape, incest, or harm to the mother never has come up.
So for the record, I, and many I know believe that a raped woman that aborts the child is a murderer, absolutely. There are NO SITUATIONS where I believe abortion is permittable.... and I've heard countless other evangelicals over the years that I'm familiar with say the same thing. A pregnant woman that is told having her child could kill her is also a murderer if she aborts that baby.
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Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins
LOL, when I say I'm against abortion, I didn't know that I needed to clarify that I'm against it in all cases..... and frankly, since I've been in this forum, the question of rape, incest, or harm to the mother never has come up.
So for the record, I, and many I know believe that a raped woman that aborts the child is a murderer, absolutely. There are NO SITUATIONS where I believe abortion is permittable.... and I've heard countless other evangelicals over the years that I'm familiar with say the same thing. A pregnant woman that is told having her child could kill her is also a murderer if she aborts that baby.
So there ya go!!!!!
Hypothetical situation for you:
Let's say your wife was about to give birth, and the doctor told you, "If she has this baby it will kill her - I can abort the baby and save your wife's life, or she can proceed, die during childbirth, but the baby will live"
What would you do?
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Originally Posted by jfrog
I've never heard one of you call a pregnant woman a murderer because she had an abortion when having an innocent little baby would have a good chance of killing her.
I've never heard one of you call a raped woman who had an abortion a murderer either.
I have never had any other position. Abortion is murder period. The mother is implicit, but the doctor who brings about the death is primarily performing the murder.
In most states the murder language is recognized and used in murder cases involving a pregnant mother. The charges are often for double murder, or murder and manslaughter. That this language is OK for "wanted" babies, but not OK for "unwanted" babies is sickening.
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Hypothetical situation for you:
Let's say your wife was about to give birth, and the doctor told you, "If she has this baby it will kill her - I can abort the baby and save your wife's life, or she can proceed, die during childbirth, but the baby will live"
What would you do?
First, this is a false scenario according to many medical doctors. The goal must be to preserve life of the mother and child.
The baby may need to be taken early - even extremely early. It is not necessary to wait 40 weeks. Babies are now considered viable at 24 weeks, and some have survived at 21 weeks. At that age, a medical birth is quite often less traumatic to the mother than killing the baby off by abortion.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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There are literally thousands of doctors who do not believe in murder/abortion under any circumstances.
Here is the position statement of AAPLOG Prolife OBGYNS
Abortion is the purposeful killing of the unborn in the termination of a pregnancy. AAPLOG opposes abortion. When extreme medical emergencies that threaten the life of the mother arise (chorioamnionitis or HELLP syndrome could be examples), AAPLOG believes in “treatment to save the mother’s life,” including premature delivery if that is indicated — obviously with the patient’s informed consent. This is NOT “abortion to save the mother’s life.” We are treating two patients, the mother and the baby, and every reasonable attempt to save the baby’s life would also be a part of our medical intervention. We acknowledge that, in some such instances, the baby would be too premature to survive.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
First, this is a false scenario according to many medical doctors. The goal must be to preserve life of the mother and child.
The baby may need to be taken early - even extremely early. It is not necessary to wait 40 weeks. Babies are now considered viable at 24 weeks, and some have survived at 21 weeks. At that age, a medical birth is quite often less traumatic to the mother than killing the baby off by abortion.
I don't believe it's a false scenario at all, it may not be common place, but it certainly happens in some instances. I actually know of a couple to whom this happened, and they both chose the life of the child. The mother died in labor, but the baby was healthy.
Again, would just like to have some discussion on the topic.
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