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Originally Posted by Ferd

Clearly this adds to the point that I have already made. Both the President and the Congress have acted within the confines of the constitution.

No, they haven't. Congress has not declared war.

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

REP. PAUL: No. Non-intervention was a major contributing factor. Have you ever read the reasons they attacked us? They attack us because we’ve been over there; we’ve been bombing Iraq for 10 years. We’ve been in the Middle East — I think Reagan was right.
We don’t understand the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics. So right now we’re building an embassy in Iraq that’s bigger than the Vatican. We’re building 14 permanent bases. What would we say here if China was doing this in our country or in the Gulf of Mexico? We would be objecting. We need to look at what we do from the perspective of what would happen if somebody else did it to us.
(Applause.)

MR. GOLER: Are you suggesting we invited the 9/11 attack, sir?

REP. PAUL: I’m suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it, and they are delighted that we’re over there because Osama bin Laden has said, “I am glad you’re over on our sand because we can target you so much easier.” They have already now since that time — (bell rings) — have killed 3,400 of our men, and I don’t think it was necessary.

MR. GIULIANI: Wendell, may I comment on that? That’s really an extraordinary statement. That’s an extraordinary statement, as someone who lived through the
attack of September 11, that we invited the attack because we were attacking Iraq. I don’t think I’ve heard that before, and I’ve heard some pretty absurd explanations for September 11th. (Applause, cheers.) And I would ask the congressman to withdraw that comment and tell us that he didn’t really mean that. (Applause.)

From Ron Pauls Campaign:


Why Hasn’t Rudy Giuliani Read the 9-11 Commission Report?
May 16, 2007
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

ARLINGTON, VA – During the "First in the South" GOP debate in South Carolina last night, one thing was made clear: Rudy Giuliani does not understand how to keep America safe.

When Congressman Ron Paul, who has long served on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, explained how 50 years of American interventionism in the Middle East has helped compromise our national security, Giuliani interrupted saying he had "never heard anything so absurd." This statement is particularly troubling coming from the former mayor who tries to cast himself as a security expert, since Dr. Paul's point comes directly from the bi-partisan 9-11 Commission Report.

"Rudy Giuliani has tip-toed around the issues of abortion, guns and marriage. The only issue he has left is security, and he doesn't even get that right," said campaign chairman Kent Snyder. "It is clear from his interruption that former Mayor Giuliani has not read the 9-11 Commission Report and has no clue on how to keep America safe."

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by RonPaul4President

From Ron Pauls Campaign:


Why Hasn’t Rudy Giuliani Read the 9-11 Commission Report?
May 16, 2007
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

ARLINGTON, VA – During the "First in the South" GOP debate in South Carolina last night, one thing was made clear: Rudy Giuliani does not understand how to keep America safe.

When Congressman Ron Paul, who has long served on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, explained how 50 years of American interventionism in the Middle East has helped compromise our national security, Giuliani interrupted saying he had "never heard anything so absurd." This statement is particularly troubling coming from the former mayor who tries to cast himself as a security expert, since Dr. Paul's point comes directly from the bi-partisan 9-11 Commission Report.

"Rudy Giuliani has tip-toed around the issues of abortion, guns and marriage. The only issue he has left is security, and he doesn't even get that right," said campaign chairman Kent Snyder. "It is clear from his interruption that former Mayor Giuliani has not read the 9-11 Commission Report and has no clue on how to keep America safe."

I am glad the Ron Paul camp put this out.

Thanks for posting it.

Ron Paul, the ONLY one who has any chance of defeating the Clintonistas Reloaded.

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[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Chan

Yes, Mormon Utah is a very red state; but Romney was governor of Massachusetts - a very blue state where the Court imposeded gay marriage.

right.. right...

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by CC1

BTW - I am quite familiar with the isolationist wing of the Republican party through history. I do not agree with it. It was naive then and it is naive now.

You guys would have sat and ate popcorn while Hitler rolled through all of Europe and Africa.

What are the isolationist going to do when Iran has a nuclear weapon? Do you guys think that just because you will have pulled out of the Middle East and left the oil and Israel to the whims of Middle Eastern despots that Iran and others will not explode one in America? Naive I say!

[bishopnl]

That would have been to little too late. Don't forget that at the time the USA was not considered the world's top military power as it became after the war.

If Hitler had conquored Europe and Africa and had all of those resources at his disposal he would have been almost impossible to conquor. As it was we barely defeated him.

We didn't exactly go to Europe and fight Hitler just as a preemptive measure. Most of our policies were favorable toward Allied forces (providing weapons, etc.), but we didn't enter the war until after America had been attacked by Japan. We then declared war on Japan, and Germany declared war on us.

Same for WWI. It was only after American ships were killed, American lives were lost on the Lusitania, and the Zimmerman telegram that we finally declared war.

And ditto for the Barbary pirates as well...American ships were attacked, Americans were taken hostage and sold as slaves, etc.

Its not that I am necessarily agreeing with Ron Paul. But so far, the parallels don't quite match up.

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by CC1

You sound like the nuts that end up in jail for not paying Federal income tax because you believe it is illegal.

[berkeley]

I'm a simple minded guy...

this is how I see It:

If America sits idley by and waits for them to attack our shores, it's like throwing out a welcome sign . Welcoming attacks.. and what not.

but I really don't like the idea of losing personal freedoms under the guise of national security.


Is Canada a better option??

Ron Paul is a TRUE conservative. A TRUE conservative DEMANDS that government ABIDE BY THE CONSTITUTION.

The "neo-cons" believe that the ends justifies the means. Notice that (with the exception of the closet Democrat McCain) everybody at the debate SUPPORTED the use of TORTURE and supported unconstitutional, undeclared wars with foreign nations.

Paul is NOT an "isolationist". Paul is a CONSTITUTIONALIST. He has REPEATEDLY said, and he in fact ARGUED IN CONGRESS, that IF there is a valid need to go to war with Iraq, then Congress needs to DECLARE WAR and we need to go in ALL OUT NON STOP with CLEAR GOALS and WIN, and he argued AGAINST all this political balderdash and the TREASONOUS action by Congress when they DELEGATED their Constitutional authority to the Executive Branch.

Ron Paul is resonating with a BROAD SPECTRUM of Americans who are sick and tired of being sick and tired of the same old garbage politicians on both sides of the FALSE "left-right" paradigm.

What a novel idea! Follow the Constitution!

Something these fake Republican neo-cons cannot wrap their Fabian minds around...