Repentance, Holiness, and the Church

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Ha!

JamDat, you must learn to decode bbyrd's dialogue.

I think he is trying to say IF Gandhi were a born again Christian, he would be a great example. Much more of an example than many believers are.

Hmm; I like your answer well enough;
but what I meant was that if Gandhi
were a born-again Christian he would
prolly be useless as well. Maybe not, tho.

He's a great example right now,
at least of NVC. He revolutionized
"change your mind."

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by JamDat

I would disagree with that too. Gandhi was a sexual pervert.

You are judging him, however, by your standards,
when the standards of his society say differently.
You can buy children there. But I'm not defending
him, don't know about his exploits or anything.
And I seriously doubt you do, either.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Just like Joe Smith and Mohammed, Ghandhi was deceived.

Do you walk on water? Then you also,
are deceived.

We all touch part of the elephant;
Christians have gotten the mistaken
impression that they are the zookeepers.

One's premises are always revealed,
and I am convinced that you can call
yourself a satanist, for all God cares-
-if your heart is right, you are "in."

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Do you walk on water? Then you also,
are deceived.

We all touch part of the elephant;
Christians have gotten the mistaken
impression that they are the zookeepers.

One's premises are always revealed,
and I am convinced that you can call
yourself a satanist, for all God cares-
-if your heart is right, you are "in."

500 years before the book called the quran was writen, Paul stated a prophecy. the Spirit says in latter times many will follow decieving Spirits and be lead away by doctrines of devils.

Im sure some of them had a good heart or a right heart, but they wasnt following after God's own heart. so the definition of right heart with God would be a position left up to him, and he has declared that Whoso ever believes on the only Begotten Son shall be saved.

There is only One way to the Father, and that is through the Son Jesus. not Confusious, Not Ghandi, Not buddha, Not mohamud.

Jesus is the truth, he is The life, and he is your only way...

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by acerrak

500 years before the book called the quran was writen, Paul stated a prophecy. the Spirit says in latter times many will follow decieving Spirits and be lead away by doctrines of devils.

Im sure some of them had a good heart or a right heart, but they wasnt following after God's own heart. so the definition of right heart with God would be a position left up to him, and he has declared that Whoso ever believes on the only Begotten Son shall be saved.

There is only One way to the Father, and that is through the Son Jesus. not Confusious, Not Ghandi, Not buddha, Not mohamud.

Jesus is the truth, he is The life, and he is your only way...

I agree, but you have defined this for yourself, and insist that everyone else
adhere to your def.

A reflection that is relevant here (that will surely track as non sequitur)
is that all those rich Americans most venerate? They have no money
in banks. They might have $20k in a money market acct, strictly for convenience, but that's it, even for a billionaire.
The Reagans don't have any money in banks.
The uninformed keep money in banks.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by JamDat

I would disagree with that too. Gandhi was a sexual pervert.

Some would say the popes and bishops (past or present) were sexual perverts, because of the pedophile scandals. It doesn't make it true or untrue.

Some would say all pentecostal pastors were perverts because of a few. Doesn't make it true or untrue.

Look, we know that history as it really happened has been rewritten to make somebody look good or bad.

Lee Harvey Oswald was branded the killer of John F. Kennedy without a trial by his peers and has gone down in history as his killer. Had he lived and had a trial, would he have been acquitted? We will never know.

We have a case right in this area where a high profile person has been lauded as a hero in his death. But the locals know what kind of man he really was.

So...we have some Christians who have been saved by the blood of the Lamb and they throw that away because they love the riches of this world and because they want to exercise power over God's people. And some want to say that is not perversion of what Christ taught?

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

I agree, but you have defined this for yourself, and insist that everyone else
adhere to your def.

A reflection that is relevant here (that will surely track as non sequitur)
is that all those rich Americans most venerate? They have no money
in banks. They might have $20k in a money market acct, strictly for convenience, but that's it, even for a billionaire.
The Reagans don't have any money in banks.
The uninformed keep money in banks.

i did not define that for myself God defined it. I just believe it. The word is either real or it isnt you either accept it or you dont.

[AreYouReady?]

I don't follow Gandi, Mohammad, Mother Teresa, the Pope, Joseph Smith or anybody who either said they had a revelation from God or sought to live the life of poverty or separate like the monks and convents.

I dare say none of us in America would live the life of Paul, who was beaten, whipped, shipwrecked, etc. The IRS tells churches what to do or they will get their 501 c 3 tax exempt status cut off and they line up like children going to recess.

Christians have no true living examples here in America except for some who truly have a pastor's heart to reach the lost like the one who deliberately chose the worst neighborhood he could find in Atlanta...and perhaps those overseas in the jungles preaching the word.

Hence ..It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. (Psalms 118:8)

[Dordrecht]

Do you walk on water? Then you also,
are deceived.

What a stupid response!

[Dordrecht]

We all touch part of the elephant;
Christians have gotten the mistaken
impression that they are the zookeepers.

That's even worse!