A Wrecked Church!

[AreYouReady?]

I hate to say this, but situations like this need to be on the web and to be out in the open as a warning to all of God's people that things like this can and do happen to even the "best" of churches. The pastor knew that he was getting old and he should have gone before the church people to see what actions they wanted to take concerning the five-fold ministry.

I am both shocked and not at the same time because I have long recognized even the churches that appear to be strong may have a control issue. It was not the pastor's right to decide, along with his daughter who should succeed him. This is the makings of a "kingdom" and not the body of Christ.

I've said not long ago that many Oneness churches do not have the five-fold ministry operating in them. This appears to be one of them when there are no spiritual checks and balances within the body.

What is portrayed here is a true Jezebel spirit. She appears to be operating in the flesh on what she thinks may be her daddy's wishes instead of humbling herself down and asking God what to do.

If the monies come from the congregants tithe and offerings, then it is not hers to decide anything.

The people who were kicked out have some choices. They can go to court, which is not a biblical solution imo. The other pastors who were close and are afraid to get in the middle of the church fight are shirking their duties as men of God since it IS biblical for the saints to settle their own differences out of secular court.


The people who were kicked out should gather together in homes or a rented building and truly pray about their next move. This cannot be from God, but God can fix this problem if the people are given over to seeking His will through prayer.

The absolute worse thing that can happen for her is for the people to pray to God and let her fall into the hands of God. She should be more fearful of this than of any other remedy.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

sad but wished it was not on the web...I deeply loved the family...is there not anything other family members can do?

Other members of the family are embarrassed of the situation (I'm told) and are powerless to do anything or don't want to touch it with a ten foot pole!

The people being kicked out of the church have faithfully attended the church for many years even when the pastor was in bad health. My intention was to give them a voice and let the truth be told.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by StillStanding

Other members of the family are embarrassed of the situation (I'm told) and are powerless to do anything or don't want to touch it with a ten foot pole!

The people being kicked out of the church have faithfully attended the church for many years even when the pastor was in bad health. My intention was to give them a voice and let the truth be told.

the power of the church is in the church not in some one who declares it.

I attend a non denominational church. the pastor is also the owner, however with out tithes and offerings the church would crumble. But he is not abusive in power cause he opens his Pullpit. While the deed may remain in his family its up to the church to move on after Him and find the Leader God wants. not what the owner dictates.

Cause what will happen will be a split and the building will be lost. The building needs the body of believers. It doesnt need some one trying to step up to be a dictator. That is why there needs to be a set of elders in place, but the former pastor failed at this and this is now the result. a church divided.

what needs to happen is first have the body elect godly men to step up and start running this church until God sends them some one into the role of pastor.

Just my thoughts

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by acerrak

the power of the church is in the church not in some one who declares it.

I attend a non denominational church. the pastor is also the owner, however with out tithes and offerings the church would crumble. But he is not abusive in power cause he opens his Pullpit. While the deed may remain in his family its up to the church to move on after Him and find the Leader God wants. not what the owner dictates.

Cause what will happen will be a split and the building will be lost. The building needs the body of believers. It doesnt need some one trying to step up to be a dictator. That is why there needs to be a set of elders in place, but the former pastor failed at this and this is now the result. a church divided.

what needs to happen is first have the body elect godly men to step up and start running this church until God sends them some one into the role of pastor.

Just my thoughts

Acerrak, you do not know just how much I agree with your post!

We are living in a time when people think more of property and material belongings. This is a dangerous thought process because all of this stuff is going to burn up or be stolen.

What is important is the unity of God's people in a local assembly. She simply will not stand. It is not in God's order of the church for anybody to act this way.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by acerrak

the power of the church is in the church not in some one who declares it.

I attend a non denominational church. the pastor is also the owner, however with out tithes and offerings the church would crumble. But he is not abusive in power cause he opens his Pullpit. While the deed may remain in his family its up to the church to move on after Him and find the Leader God wants. not what the owner dictates.

Cause what will happen will be a split and the building will be lost. The building needs the body of believers. It doesnt need some one trying to step up to be a dictator. That is why there needs to be a set of elders in place, but the former pastor failed at this and this is now the result. a church divided.

what needs to happen is first have the body elect godly men to step up and start running this church until God sends them some one into the role of pastor.

Just my thoughts

It's a sad situation, and I don't want to put myself in the middle! Good and faithful saints are being bullied! Very sad!

[CC1]

Originally Posted by StillStanding

It's a sad situation, and I don't want to put myself in the middle! Good and faithful saints are being bullied! Very sad!

"good and faithful"???? They are witches!!!! They have rebelled against the daughter's choice of pastor. The daughter's power was at the direction of her father. Therefore those not toeing the line and voting for the daughter's choice are rebellious and we all know that the bible says that rebellion "is as the sin of witchcraft". Witches I say!!!

(isn't good old time Pentecostal logic great. No end to the ways you can twist things!!!)

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by CC1

"good and faithful"???? They are witches!!!! They have rebelled against the daughter's choice of pastor. The daughter's power was at the direction of her father. Therefore those not toeing the line and voting for the daughter's choice are rebellious and we all know that the bible says that rebellion "is as the sin of witchcraft". Witches I say!!!

(isn't good old time Pentecostal logic great. No end to the ways you can twist things!!!)

[Esaias]

A church got deleted?

Oh the humanity!!!!

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by StillStanding

It's a sad situation, and I don't want to put myself in the middle! Good and faithful saints are being bullied! Very sad!

i agree there shoudnt be any bullying. My point is if you cut off what powers the bully, which in this case is money, the bullying will stop.

the church doesnt need her directions. It needs to get biblical. Its very sad.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by acerrak

i agree there shoudnt be any bullying. My point is if you cut off what powers the bully, which in this case is money, the bullying will stop.

the church doesnt need her directions. It needs to get biblical. Its very sad.

A good deal of the income for the church comes from property rentals which the church owns IN THE FORMER PASTOR'S NAME! If the church is dissolved, she can inherit the property and the rental income.