Holiness

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by acerrak

thats sanctification Not Holiness,

you are already Holy and acceptable in gods eye's through jesus before many of these attributes start to grow in your life.

This is the process of sanctification, the work of the Holy spirit in You.

Being seperated Comes from the Spirit, when one is placed in the Body of believers. This is the finished work of the Cross, from there we grow in our walk producing such fruits. The work of God in us.

Sanctification means 'the act of being made a saint'. A saint is a 'holy one'. Thus, sanctification is the act of being made holy. Sanctified means 'holy', 'holy-fied' if you will.

Trying to divide 'sanctification' from 'holiness' is an error based on using equivalent English terms without regard to their grammatical equivalency. Or in other words, it is the fallacy of equivocation, in a sense.

Just like the 'remission vs forgiveness of sins' error.

Also, I see you are espousing the 'progressive sanctification view' and the 'positional holiness view'.

Question - can a person die and still be saved without being entirely sanctified? If not, how sanctified does a person need to be to make it?

NOTE TO EVERYBODY: BY THE WAY - I AM NOT CLAIMING TO BE ENTIRELY SANCTIFIED, PERFECT, ABOVE MISTAKE, OR FREE FROM ERROR. In fact, I am not making any claims whatsoever about my - OR YOUR - state of sanctification or holiness.
SO PLEASE PEOPLE - let's not get into 'Oh, so you think you're perfect, eh?' types of comments.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Sanctification means 'the act of being made a saint'. A saint is a 'holy one'. Thus, sanctification is the act of being made holy. Sanctified means 'holy', 'holy-fied' if you will.

Trying to divide 'sanctification' from 'holiness' is an error based on using equivalent English terms without regard to their grammatical equivalency. Or in other words, it is the fallacy of equivocation, in a sense.

Just like the 'remission vs forgiveness of sins' error.

Also, I see you are espousing the 'progressive sanctification view' and the 'positional holiness view'.

Question - can a person die and still be saved without being entirely sanctified? If not, how sanctified does a person need to be to make it?

NOTE TO EVERYBODY: BY THE WAY - I AM NOT CLAIMING TO BE ENTIRELY SANCTIFIED, PERFECT, ABOVE MISTAKE, OR FREE FROM ERROR. In fact, I am not making any claims whatsoever about my - OR YOUR - state of sanctification or holiness.
SO PLEASE PEOPLE - let's not get into 'Oh, so you think you're perfect, eh?' types of comments.

Holy simple means to be seperated. That is done by God alone. He set you apart. He called you. One is made seperate by the Spirit.

sanctification is a broad term with many meaning but i will use it in the way I understand it best.

one definition

the state of being sanctified b : the state of growing
in divine grace as a result of Christian commitment after baptism or conversion

use of the believer being progressively transformed by the Lord into His likeness (similarity of nature).

This is a good picture. i have been made Holy because of the work of the Cross and The Spirit Given as a deposit.

I am made Holy acceptable through the Blood of Christ, The bible declares i am made rightous through Him.

Because of that I start a christian growth, because of what God has done for me and His power through me, begins a process of growing from milk to meat.

while i understand that the church has divided the word sanctification it was because we realize after our new birth we are declared rightous, and now we grow in that Holiness through the Spirit

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by acerrak

Holy simple means to be seperated. That is done by God alone. He set you apart. He called you. One is made seperate by the Spirit.

sanctification is a broad term with many meaning but i will use it in the way I understand it best.

one definition

the state of being sanctified b : the state of growing
in divine grace as a result of Christian commitment after baptism or conversion

use of the believer being progressively transformed by the Lord into His likeness (similarity of nature).

This is a good picture. i have been made Holy because of the work of the Cross and The Spirit Given as a deposit.

I am made Holy acceptable through the Blood of Christ, The bible declares i am made rightous through Him.

Because of that I start a christian growth, because of what God has done for me and His power through me, begins a process of growing from milk to meat.

while i understand that the church has divided the word sanctification it was because we realize after our new birth we are declared rightous, and now we grow in that Holiness through the Spirit

And so...

Question - can a person die and still be saved without being entirely sanctified? If not, how sanctified does a person need to be to make it?

[Michael The Disciple]

People nowdays seem to think they have NO PART in being holy and sanctified. Obviously these two things are the same.

If we have no part in it why are WE COMMANDED to be holy if we already automatically are? Why are we commanded to cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit? Why are we told to through the Spirit mortify the dees of the flesh?

Todays teaching patterned after Protestant teaching is false and corrupt.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If we have no part in it why are WE COMMANDED to be holy if we already automatically are?

EXACTLY.

Todays teaching patterned after Protestant teaching is false and corrupt.

Oh there you go, stirring up them hornets!

[AreYouReady?]

Keep em coming friends. I love the answers. We hear so much about Holiness that I think I need a thorough understanding of what that means...not the pat answer I learned in church which was just "standards".

My phone lines are down and I am in and out using other people's wifi networks .

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

My phone lines are down and I am in and out using other people's wifi networks .

"A good neighbor is one that leaves his/her wifi network unsecured..."

[KeptByTheWord]

I personally think, just my opinion, that holiness, and sanctification work hand in hand, and not separate, and distinct from one another. As humans we can never achieve holiness, as in the holy character of God, without his Spirit indwelling us.

However, if you can you provide a scripture that relates one being holy to just "believing" and receiving the indwelling of the Spirit of God, I am willing to re-consider.

Otherwise, I cannot see the two - holiness, and sanctification as two different ideas, but two concepts working together to help us to mature and grow, and live with the mind of Christ.

I tend to think that holiness, and sanctification work hand in hand, just as Peter wrote in the second epistle, chapter 1. As the divine and holy nature of God is allowed to grow and mature in our lives, we become dead to our flesh, separated unto God, and allow the spirit of Jesus to change us from the inside out, so that we have "put on the mind of Christ."

It is a day, by day experience. Not something that happens one day, and then you never have to work on it again. It is a constant battle, as long as we are dealing with our flesh to strive to be set apart in heart, and in our lives unto God.

Until we are changed from corruptible to incorruptible, we will have this struggle, this battle that will go on. Each day we must strive to put on the mind of Christ, and allow His divine nature, and power to change us, and mold us into a vessel that is pleasing unto God, as the Spirit leads.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

"A good neighbor is one that leaves his/her wifi network unsecured..."

My neighbors are in the same boat I am in...no fast access, DSL, cable ...

Nobody will spend the money to bring it to us.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

My neighbors are in the same boat I am in...no fast access, DSL, cable ...

Nobody will spend the money to bring it to us.

What about Hughes Net? We are out in the "sticks" here, and that is what we have to use. It is expensive, and not really that fast, but it is better than dial-up.