A Wrecked Church! - Page 22

Margies3 · #**211** 07-12-2012, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy

This thread has made me more compassionate. And truly understanding ILG better now. It really makes me angry that y'all went through that meanness, and the uncaring attitude y'all received from the District.

yep, me too!

And, our church as been without a pastor almost 2 years now ever. I'm on the Board and we are very concerned about this situation. But I'd much rather be in OUR situation than to be in the middle of the mess that these poor people are dealing with! On the other hand, I can't see that daughter getting away with this at our church because we have some very strong personalities who would be moving HER on instead of her moving us on. Why don't these people do that at this church??

AreYouReady? · #**212** 07-12-2012, 09:23 PM

Yes Cindy I agree wholeheartedly.

Honking horns at 3 am and vandalism to another person's vehicle is criminal and not Christian. Not to mention lawsuits directed at the wrong people and the district not having a fair and impartial inquiry into the matter. It smacks of favoritism and injustice.

True stories are not gossiping. They are someone's account of what happened to them while they placed a measure of trust in what is touted as elders and presbyter overseers. When that trust is betrayed, a simple "get over it" will never get it.

Cindy · #**213** 07-12-2012, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Margies3

yep, me too!

And, our church as been without a pastor almost 2 years now ever. I'm on the Board and we are very concerned about this situation. But I'd much rather be in OUR situation than to be in the middle of the mess that these poor people are dealing with! On the other hand, I can't see that daughter getting away with this at our church because we have some very strong personalities who would be moving HER on instead of her moving us on. Why don't these people do that at this church??

I have no idea my friend, it just makes me sad.

AreYouReady? · #**214** 07-12-2012, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Margies3

yep, me too!
Why don't these people do that at this church??

I wondered that myself? Who gave this woman all this authority?

tv1a · #**215** 07-13-2012, 12:17 AM

Notify the IRS. That will stop the hanky panky in a heart beat.

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Originally Posted by StillStanding

Some of you may be familiar with this situation involving a pastor who recently passed away. He was a strong leader and didn't have a board. All decisions and finances were handled by him and his family. His daughter handled the finances of the church, some of which were invested to buy rental homes for extra income.

The pastor didn't have a successor in place as he held all power until he passed, even though he could hardly speak or walk in his final months. When he became incapacitated, his daughter held full power.

Well...a church vote was held for the daughter's choice to be pastor, and he was voted down. Last week she sent certified letters to all the families that weren't in agreement with her (a majority), and told them they were no longer welcome and were no longer considered members of the church. She essentially kicked them out of the church!

IMO, her strategy is to have another vote with the remaining families that voted with her! How sad to manipulate a good group of people to get what you want!

Anyway, last week she decided to give herself a $200 a week raise as church manager. She didn't need to ask for permission as she has absolute power to do as she pleases.

I hate to see what was once a great influential Apostolic church decline to this type of behavior and power struggle! A truly sad story of how absolute power can absolutely corrupt! This happens even in an Acts 2:38, Oneness, strict standards type church.

FYI, my wife was raised in this church and her aunt still attends there. The church is no longer tied to any Apostolic organization, so there in nobody to help them get thru this problem. Other pastors that were close friends to the church are afraid to get in the middle of this church fight!

Sarah · #**216** 07-13-2012, 07:36 AM

If saints of God would only pray and seek the face of God when it comes time to elect a new pastor, we wouldn't have this problem. After all, God is not the author of confusion. We might sometimes be surprised who God might chose to be the leader over His people!

Sometimes I think that maybe we should be like the Methodists and other organizations....let them send pastors from those in authority. Isn't that what Paul did?

Even then, I'm sure a few 'lemons' would slip through.

CC1 · #**217** 07-13-2012, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarah

If saints of God would only pray and seek the face of God when it comes time to elect a new pastor, we wouldn't have this problem. After all, God is not the author of confusion. We might sometimes be surprised who God might chose to be the leader over His people!

Sometimes I think that maybe we should be like the Methodists and other organizations....let them send pastors from those in authority. Isn't that what Paul did?

Even then, I'm sure a few 'lemons' would slip through.

Uh.....did you read the thread? They did pray and have a vote. The daughter's candidate for pastor was voted down. That vote was not honored. Instead enough of the ones voting against him were sent letters by the daughter kicking them out of the church so that when they hold a second vote he is assured to be elected!

So the element of the saints seeking Gods will, etc has been taken out of the equkation by the actions of the daughter.

Steve Epley · #**218** 07-13-2012, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarah

If saints of God would only pray and seek the face of God when it comes time to elect a new pastor, we wouldn't have this problem. After all, God is not the author of confusion. We might sometimes be surprised who God might chose to be the leader over His people!

Sometimes I think that maybe we should be like the Methodists and other organizations....let them send pastors from those in authority. Isn't that what Paul did?

Even then, I'm sure a few 'lemons' would slip through.

The Methodist aren't related to Paul.

Paul was an Apostle not an elected official of some man made org. just saying........................

CC1 · #**219** 07-13-2012, 08:04 AM

It seems clear that this pastor's posterity and legacy in the ministry will be carried on by his sons ministries in other cities.

The only consoliation is that this church has been going down for some time due to the pastors health, etc so instead of the daughter blowing up a church with 300 people involved she is blowing up a church of less than a 100 people with many of them elderly.

I believe many of the younger members and families in the church had left over the past few years. I am sure the decison to do so has been reinforiced by these shenanigans.

All of us human beings are flawed and we have to look at situations like these with two things in mind;

First to learn from the situation and make sure we or loved ones are not in a situation that could end up like this.

Secondly to remember that we are all human beings and flawed. We should not let errors in judgement in setting up a succession plan,etc in the latter years of this pastors life take away from the many great things looking at the entire body of his ministry on earth. That does not excuse mistakes but it puts them in context.

CC1 · #**220** 07-13-2012, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarah

Sometimes I think that maybe we should be like the Methodists and other organizations....let them send pastors from those in authority. Isn't that what Paul did?

I had an uncle, deceased now, who was a Methodist in a small church in a small town. He very sincerely told me one day many years ago that they changed pastors every two or three years (I forget which) because if a pastor stayed any longer than that they got to know too much about you! LOL!!!