A Wrecked Church! - Page 45

ILG · #**441** 07-20-2012, 07:35 PM

After I gave my heart to God (what three steppers call repentance), I never even wanted another cigarette. And I had smoked for 6 years (age 13-19). I've never smoked since.

KeptByTheWord · #**442** 07-21-2012, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam

In Genesis chapter 22 Abraham said "God will provide Himself a lamb" and when God did provide the sacrifice, Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh (the Lord will see/provide). Our word provide means to make available, to furnish, to supply or equip, to arrange for or stipulate beforehand, to prepare or procure beforehand, to see ahead. It comes from pro (before or ahead) and videre (to see) and means that God sees our needs ahead of time and meets those needs at the proper time and with the proper timing. How many times have we looked back and seen how God was working so that the need was met on time?

That's a wonderful thought Sam! Thanks for sharing! Praise God our Jehovah-Jirah!

KeptByTheWord · #**443** 07-21-2012, 01:02 AM

I've never smoked or had an addiction, raised in a OP home all my life, and the Lord has been so good to me, but I was blessed to hear of these stories from ILG, Heaven Bound, and AYR! Our Jehovah-Jirah is our provider in every way!

OHappyDay · #**444** 07-25-2012, 08:00 AM

22.) My heart goes out to the saints of G.R. church. Its not enough that they were fighting the secretary and the boyfriend but also the church board turned on the very saints that were supposed to be representing. As previously stated, most of the men on the church board have been replaced by the secretary and the boyfriend. They were chosen because they would support the secretary and the boyfriend.
23.) At least one of these men, possibly two, do not even have the Holy Ghost.
24.) Two of the three men that were supposedly "helping" the church members and leading the opposition against the secretary and the boyfriend had ulterior motives at heart. Both of these men want to pastor desperately but are not capable.
25.) One of the men stated previously in 24 is trying to build his own church. This would be a terrible idea for these elderly saints that have been through so much.
26.) The eldest son of the Bishop, who pastors in the suburbs, is a great man. The secretary (his sister) has done her best to blackball him. She has openly talked about him and has tried to run him down.
27.) The church in the suburbs, pastored by the son, is the closest Apostolic church and is located just a few minutes away from the "wrecked church".
28.) The son has graciously welcomed the former saints of G.R. to the church. He is probably the most qualified person to lead them as he is familiar with them both personally and knows the entire situation. He pastors a great church that is in revival. He is a true man of God with a "pastor's heart".

HolyFire · #**445** 07-25-2012, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by OHappyDay

27.) The church in the suburbs, pastored by the son, is the closest Apostolic church and is located just a few minutes away from the "wrecked church".
28.) The son has graciously welcomed the former saints of G.R. to the church. He is probably the most qualified person to lead them as he is familiar with them both personally and knows the entire situation. He pastors a great church that is in revival. He is a true man of God with a "pastor's heart".

There is the answer. Azusa St. is now a Japanese cultural center. The revival lives on, the marker isn't. Take the history with them to the son's church.

spirit902 · #**446** 07-25-2012, 10:03 AM

[If you knew this Pastor you would not make a judgement about him! and this I know for a fact, becausehe was a true man of God and loved the church]

I hate to say this, but situations like this need to be on the web and to be out in the open as a warning to all of God's people that things like this can and do happen to even the "best" of churches. The pastor knew that he was getting old and he should have gone before the church people to see what actions they wanted to take concerning the five-fold ministry.

I am both shocked and not at the same time because I have long recognized even the churches that appear to be strong may have a control issue. It was not the pastor's right to decide, along with his daughter who should succeed him. This is the makings of a "kingdom" and not the body of Christ.

I've said not long ago that many Oneness churches do not have the five-fold ministry operating in them. This appears to be one of them when there are no spiritual checks and balances within the body.

What is portrayed here is a true Jezebel spirit. She appears to be operating in the flesh on what she thinks may be her daddy's wishes instead of humbling herself down and asking God what to do.

If the monies come from the congregants tithe and offerings, then it is not hers to decide anything.

The people who were kicked out have some choices. They can go to court, which is not a biblical solution imo. The other pastors who were close and are afraid to get in the middle of the church fight are shirking their duties as men of God since it IS biblical for the saints to settle their own differences out of secular court.

The people who were kicked out should gather together in homes or a rented building and truly pray about their next move. This cannot be from God, but God can fix this problem if the people are given over to seeking His will through prayer.

The absolute worse thing that can happen for her is for the people to pray to God and let her fall into the hands of God. She should be more fearful of this than of any other remedy.[/QUOTE]

AreYouReady? · #**447** 07-25-2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by spirit902

[If you knew this Pastor you would not make a judgement about him! and this I know for a fact, becausehe was a true man of God and loved the church]

I hate to say this, but situations like this need to be on the web and to be out in the open as a warning to all of God's people that things like this can and do happen to even the "best" of churches. The pastor knew that he was getting old and he should have gone before the church people to see what actions they wanted to take concerning the five-fold ministry.

I am both shocked and not at the same time because I have long recognized even the churches that appear to be strong may have a control issue. It was not the pastor's right to decide, along with his daughter who should succeed him. This is the makings of a "kingdom" and not the body of Christ.

I've said not long ago that many Oneness churches do not have the five-fold ministry operating in them. This appears to be one of them when there are no spiritual checks and balances within the body.

What is portrayed here is a true Jezebel spirit. She appears to be operating in the flesh on what she thinks may be her daddy's wishes instead of humbling herself down and asking God what to do.

If the monies come from the congregants tithe and offerings, then it is not hers to decide anything.

The people who were kicked out have some choices. They can go to court, which is not a biblical solution imo. The other pastors who were close and are afraid to get in the middle of the church fight are shirking their duties as men of God since it IS biblical for the saints to settle their own differences out of secular court.

The people who were kicked out should gather together in homes or a rented building and truly pray about their next move. This cannot be from God, but God can fix this problem if the people are given over to seeking His will through prayer.

The absolute worse thing that can happen for her is for the people to pray to God and let her fall into the hands of God. She should be more fearful of this than of any other remedy.

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Since you chose to quote me [without quoting me] I will respond.

I have no doubt that the said pastor was a true man of God. A good man who loved the congregation like his own. I've heard him preach. I've heard him sing. His songs feel like they came from deep within his heart. The church I attended at the time held a wonderful revival with him as guest speaker.

That does not make him infallible though. He was but just flesh and blood like all of us. We all will go by the way of the grave if Christ doesn't return first.

It is understandable that flesh and blood wants to leave the remains of their work to their own. Not saying that is what happened here..because I simply was responding to what it looks like it reads on the web. It is not theirs to give. It belongs to the church...Christ's church.

I see far too many churches built by the sweat, toil and unselfish giving of all the people being handed down to the children of pastors all over. The church is not supposed to be men's church for the giving of the material possessions to someone else to own, but Christ's church for the material possessions to be used for His glory.

It is meant for the people to use the five-fold ministry that Christ built, not for people to squabble over the shell of remains of brick, mortar and power over others. It is meant to be in the hands of capable men that God gives to the church...not to heirs.

I apologize if this looks like some slur on Pastor ****'s reputation. I assure you it is not meant to be. It is meant to be a warning to other pastors who may read this of what can happened to a wonderful gathering of people if care is not taken to ensure that the church remains a thriving soul saving station for others to partake in after their death.

CC1 · #**448** 07-25-2012, 03:08 PM

We should not lose sight of one of the person's who is suffering the most now. That would be "Still Standing" since he declared he has made his last post on this thread and you know good and well since it is still an active thread he is just dying to respond to some posts since then!

ILG · #**449** 07-26-2012, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by spirit902

I am both shocked and not at the same time because I have long recognized even the churches that appear to be strong may have a control issue. It was not the pastor's right to decide, along with his daughter who should succeed him. This is the makings of a "kingdom" and not the body of Christ.
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I agree with this.

ILG · #**450** 07-26-2012, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

I see far too many churches built by the sweat, toil and unselfish giving of all the people being handed down to the children of pastors all over. The church is not supposed to be men's church for the giving of the material possessions to someone else to own, but Christ's church for the material possessions to be used for His glory.

That is for sure.