Do you AGREE?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

The church of Jesus Christ could learn a lot by being rough across the edges... I'm tired of mamby pamby, limp wristed, panty-waisted, don't want to offend anybody, looking for a back bone, bowing the knee to public opinion, asking permission to live for Christ, Christians I see the Pentecostal church filled with. Our apathy, lack of letting our yes be yes and no be no is the very reason our nation is in the trouble it's in today. We've been so willing to compromise to get along that our whole existence is in the middle of every single road we can find...

It's time that the Church be radical in our Compassion, Radical in Our Zeal, Radical in our Anquish over Lost Souls going to Hell, Radical in our desire to die out to sin, radical in our pursuit for Jesus, radical in our stand for Truth, and radical in our not being mistaken for which we stand. The church needs to develop a thick skin, and move forth as the mighty army we've been called to be....

Is there a such thing as radical Christianity any more?

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Is there a such thing as radical Christianity any more?

Honestly... in my opinion... if WE (me included) were actually who the Church is supposed to be... in this current Church World and Secular World... it would be very radical compared to what we have.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

You mistake correction for vitriol. I'm sure it's probably not the first time you've done that.

First of all, you did broad brush. My post unleased this attack from you. So I ask you a question and you call your diatribe a correction? Sorry. You have absolutely no biblical authority to correct me...an elder, and you never will have that authority.

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

That question would be much more appropriately worded, absolutely. And unless one is operating in the gift of discernment, they won't know unless they have asked, counselled, ministered to, and listened to that person. My response is totally reflective of only those I've spoken with directly regarding such a situation...

Sister Alvear was asking in the most general terms and you answered in the most general terms.
You've broad brushed by posting 'but sure is one of the main things packed away in all their baggage they take with them' and you now are trying to hide it by ranting at me. Plain and simple. People who accuse others in a rant of 'twisting words' wittingly or unwittingly use sorcery tactics to justify themselves.

After what I've read today from you, I sincerely doubt that you have any gifts of discernment.

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

In your case... that would not only suit me, be appropriate, and appreciated.... but would be one of the most wonderful gifts I've been given today!!!!!!!

Glad that something I can say finally pleases your highness!

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

The church of Jesus Christ could learn a lot by being rough across the edges... I'm tired of mamby pamby, limp wristed, panty-waisted, don't want to offend anybody, looking for a back bone, bowing the knee to public opinion, asking permission to live for Christ, Christians I see the Pentecostal church filled with. Our apathy, lack of letting our yes be yes and no be no is the very reason our nation is in the trouble it's in today. We've been so willing to compromise to get along that our whole existence is in the middle of every single road we can find...

It's time that the Church be radical in our Compassion, Radical in Our Zeal, Radical in our Anquish over Lost Souls going to Hell, Radical in our desire to die out to sin, radical in our pursuit for Jesus, radical in our stand for Truth, and radical in our not being mistaken for which we stand. The church needs to develop a thick skin, and move forth as the mighty army we've been called to be....

I Cor. 2:4 "And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power; that your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God."

Paul understood that it was not merely the words he chose to use which were effective, but it was the spirit in which they were said.

That is my point. Maybe what you are saying has truth, but what about the "spirit" you are exhibiting while speaking?

Consider this carefully.

As should we all, myself included.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I don't want to demonize any specific organization. However, I came out of a very legalistic organization that was only teaching believers to be conformed into the image and likeness of the organization and not the image and likeness of Jesus Christ Himself. Sadly, these individuals will stand before God one day shaped only by their religion. They will be STERILING Pentecostal members of this organization. Sadly... this organization isn't the Kingdom of Heaven.

I love many members of this organization. But I had to abandon it all for the sake of having Jesus.

No, no organization is the Kingdom of heaven or Kingdom of God (I believe they are the same thing). The Kingdom of God is not something we can see with natural eyes. Only through eyes of faith. We can see the effects of it though. The Kingdom of God is not meat and drink, but rightousness, peace and joy, in the HOLY GHOST. Too many people look to an organization, or a pastor, or even parents, etc., to save them, but it won't happen. We MUST look unto JESUS, the Author and the Finisher of our faith. We MUST TRUST in the LORD GOD with all our heart and not lean unto our own understanding. We MUST acknowledge Him in all our ways and love and serve HIM with ALL our heart, and HE SHALL direct our paths. Don't look to anyone or anything, BUT LOOK to GOD. I believe the KINGDOM OF GOD/HEAVEN is LIFE IN THE HOLY GHOST! Not just receiving the Spirit of God, but going deeper and deeper IN HIM! READ HIS WORD. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the WORD OF GOD. EAT the WORD. CHEW and DIGEST it. MEDITATE on it, day and night.

Can we say that we are FULL OF THE HOLY GHOST! When a glass is full, there is no room for anything else. We should not be hungering and thirsting for anything else.

Falla39

[ILG]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

I think that the absurdity is in your reaction C. Todd Robbins. You are going overboard.

I saw the vitriol and promptly decided to read no more of his posts.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

When they don't read what I wrote... and misrepresent it... then I have to go through my list of questions as to why it seems one particular poster has difficulty in reading what I posted and taking it without adding to it or filling in between the lines.

My first question is to ask if they by some chance have a reading disability that prohibits them from seeing plain English... the next questions to ask are things like...are you just slow? Did you maybe hit your head today and that has blurred your vision?

And believe me... no vitriol here at all... just plain spoken... that's all.

I read your post exactly as you meant it to be.
You are just backpedaling. You said nothing about counseling others, ministering to others etc in that post. Pony up Robbins.

You said:

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

Some would even argue it's the catalyst for most... I'm not sure if it's the reason... but sure is one of the main things packed away in all their baggage they take with them.

I think most of the assumptions made is by you, by your own post eh? ...but sure is one of the main things packed away in all their baggage they take with them.

YOU assumed bitterness is one of the main things (reasons) people leave.
You did not clarify yourself and now ducking for cover with accusations.

Disrespecting your elders by calling them slow, having blurred vision or having a disability is not very becoming of a 'man of God'.

...and one may wonder why people leave churches that have men like you 'running' it? Thanks for being an example in this thread.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Is there a such thing as radical Christianity any more?

If people actually say something *radical* like returning to NT principles, then they are.....bitter.

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

First of all, you did broad brush. My post unleased this attack from you. So I ask you a question and you call your diatribe a correction? Sorry. You have absolutely no biblical authority to correct me...an elder, and you never will have that authority.

Actually, we all have authority over one another within the body of Christ to correct one another... we all, equally walk in that authority... and are to do so as much as possible.

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by ILG

I saw the vitriol and promptly decided to read no more of his posts.

And my heart is broken over that... what ever will I do... but there again... your not reading this, so doesn't matter.