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Re: Bernard continues his rewrite of UPC history
couldn't get the quote to work on my phone.
So what are the historical groups that have held to the UPC positions on the Godhead AND baptism historically.
And many oneness would not say Jesus is the Father.
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Re: Bernard continues his rewrite of UPC history
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couldn't get the quote to work on my phone.
So what are the historical groups that have held to the UPC positions on the Godhead AND baptism historically.
And many oneness would not say Jesus is the Father.
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That's not enough.
They would also need to preach these things as salvific and attach "holiness standards" as well.
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08-21-2012, 10:17 AM
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Re: Bernard continues his rewrite of UPC history
The trouble is, there are no such groups. Not even one.
This is new. That's why they called it "The New Issue."
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08-21-2012, 10:23 AM
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Re: Bernard continues his rewrite of UPC history
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That's not enough.
They would also need to preach these things as salvific and attach "holiness standards" as well.
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You are correct. I was just trying to make it easier for the. They cannot find what i asked for much less what you have asked for.
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08-21-2012, 01:09 PM
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Re: Bernard continues his rewrite of UPC history
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The trouble is, there are no such groups. Not even one.
This is new. That's why they called it "The New Issue."
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Unreal. The original New Covenant Church is the only group that matters. All else is the invention of men who have departed from it as Yeshua and the apostles said.
Can you tell us who all these "groups" are that you seem to think have the truth? This should be interesting!
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08-21-2012, 01:27 PM
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Re: Bernard continues his rewrite of UPC history
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Unreal. The original New Covenant Church is the only group that matters. All else is the invention of men who have departed from it as Yeshua and the apostles said.
Can you tell us who all these "groups" are that you seem to think have the truth? This should be interesting!
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The original New Covenant church was the believing church. That church has existed throughout history, without fail.
The burden of proof rests with you to prove otherwise.
1 John 5:1a
"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God:"
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08-21-2012, 02:31 PM
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Re: Bernard continues his rewrite of UPC history
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The original New Covenant church was the believing church. That church has existed throughout history, without fail.
The burden of proof rests with you to prove otherwise.
1 John 5:1a
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Ok thats what I thought. You cannot name ONE of these groups that are identical in doctrine to the Biblical New Covenant Church. So while you are laughing at Oneness Churches get a good laugh at all them.
So if they BELIEVE then we add Jehovah Witness, Mormons, Armstongism, Branch Davidians, ect.
Yeah were all just one happy family!
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08-21-2012, 02:37 PM
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Re: Bernard continues his rewrite of UPC history
At one point Lutheranism was a new issue, Calvinism, Wesleyanism, ana-baptists, evangelicalism etc etc
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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08-21-2012, 02:39 PM
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Re: Bernard continues his rewrite of UPC history
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Originally Posted by Charnock
The original New Covenant church was the believing church. That church has existed throughout history, without fail.
The burden of proof rests with you to prove otherwise.
1 John 5:1a
"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God:" |
ROFL..it's true until you prove it false?
Classic Logical fallacy. The burden of proof is on whoever made the assertion
Which church belief system? Roman Orthodox? Greek Orthodox? Russian Orthodox? Calvinism? Lutheranism? Wesleyism?
Which one of those is that church that existed throughout history? Because they don't all agree with each other either
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-21-2012, 02:43 PM
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Re: Bernard continues his rewrite of UPC history
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Ok thats what I thought. You cannot name ONE of these groups that are identical in doctrine to the Biblical New Covenant Church. So while you are laughing at Oneness Churches get a good laugh at all them.
So if they BELIEVE then we add Jehovah Witness, Mormons, Armstongism, Branch Davidians, ect.
Yeah were all just one happy family!
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You are assigning motives that don't exist. I am not laughing.
And yes, I don't care which label is used, anyone that believes Jesus is the Messiah is "born of God."
Read 1 John 5.
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