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09-24-2012, 11:55 PM
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Re: Friends church droppped "standards"
God Bless you too Sister. I appreciate your kind spirit.
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09-25-2012, 04:35 PM
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Re: Friends church droppped "standards"
Reading this thead once again makes me feel sad for the folks caught up in legalism. I know they are sincere but it is still sad.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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09-25-2012, 04:40 PM
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Re: Friends church droppped "standards"
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Friends church has moved away from standard. Pants, earrings etc..... He stated it seened church was "closer to God" and more commited as well as fellowshipped more before all the changes. Anyone else experience this?
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I experienced it outside of the OP movement (yes OPs aren't only churches with "standards"). The church I received the Holy Ghost at was a Full Gospel church. Used to hold real hardcore "holiness" standards, stricter then some ultra-con OP churches I know. Over a two year period the church dropped most of their standards slowly.
The pastor also started wearing catholic garb including those weird mitre things. The church has lost a good amount of it's members and up until recently the church was pretty stagnant in worship. God used to move through that church like a hurricane. Demons were cast out, people were healed, the church would be packed during prayer services. I honestly don't think they have prayer services anymore to tell the truth. They used to fellowship a lot, including with a few OP churches. I'm not sure if they still do. Haven't been there in years. I'm not saying the standards are what caused that church to become really dead... the slacking off on prayer and discipline did that, the standards just went with it.
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09-25-2012, 05:56 PM
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Re: Friends church droppped "standards"
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Less felloiwship happens because other churches ostracize your congregation. In many cases it takes time to assimilate in a different religious environment.
Man made standards give people a false sense of being closer to God. Works based salvation is a substitute for relationship.
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09-25-2012, 07:17 PM
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Re: Friends church droppped "standards"
when my friend mentioned less fellowship he was refering to the local church itself.
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09-26-2012, 05:55 AM
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Re: Friends church droppped "standards"
So, your friend sees less fellowship within the church itself since the loss of 'standards'? Well, that is because of the lingering spirit of judgmentalism on the part of some memebers, meaning the folks might still have fears of being judged by others. This will pass as they grow more in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.
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09-26-2012, 08:45 AM
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Re: Friends church droppped "standards"
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I experienced it outside of the OP movement (yes OPs aren't only churches with "standards"). The church I received the Holy Ghost at was a Full Gospel church. Used to hold real hardcore "holiness" standards, stricter then some ultra-con OP churches I know. Over a two year period the church dropped most of their standards slowly.
The pastor also started wearing catholic garb including those weird mitre things. The church has lost a good amount of it's members and up until recently the church was pretty stagnant in worship. God used to move through that church like a hurricane. Demons were cast out, people were healed, the church would be packed during prayer services. I honestly don't think they have prayer services anymore to tell the truth. They used to fellowship a lot, including with a few OP churches. I'm not sure if they still do. Haven't been there in years. I'm not saying the standards are what caused that church to become really dead... the slacking off on prayer and discipline did that, the standards just went with it.
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I don't know of one or heard of one church that dropped standards that hadn't seem to lose power or commiment.
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Today pull up the little weeds,
The sinful thoughts subdue,
Or they will take the reins themselves
And someday master you. --Anon.
The most deadly sins do not leap upon us, they creep up on us.
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09-26-2012, 09:02 AM
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Re: Friends church droppped "standards"
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I don't know of one or heard of one church that dropped standards that hadn't seem to lose power or commiment.
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I know several.
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09-26-2012, 04:21 PM
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Re: Friends church droppped "standards"
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I don't know of one or heard of one church that dropped standards that hadn't seem to lose power or commiment.
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What do you mean by "power"? I don't confuse jumping around and a lot of loud hollaring as "power" and I hope you don't.
I have seen just as many miracles and Gods marvelous work in peoples lives in churches where the pastor speaks in a normal voice as the years spent listening to preachers scream their lungs out with spit flying all over and faces so red you think they are going to have a stroke.
Just saying......
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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09-26-2012, 04:23 PM
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What do you mean by "power"? I don't confuse jumping around and a lot of loud hollaring as "power" and I hope you don't.
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Oh, false hope. Poor guy.
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