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10-06-2012, 08:55 AM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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No Sir!!! The issue of Pastoral leadership failure to adultery is a CRUSHING blow of destruction, and causes GREAT DAMAGE in every aspect. David's sins were forgiven, but the immutable law of sowing/reaping ripped through his family, and caused a REPROACH to himself, and his position as King/Ruler of Israel. God means what He says about the qualification of Pastors/Bishops without excuse. We are instructed to "walk worthy of the vocation wherewiith ye are called". We are also instructed to "not let fornication {adultery/sexual immorality} be named among us". I'm a Pastor of many years and I know the challenges that we face, but we yet must live above REPROACH, and its very possible if we remain transparent, discipliined, prayerful, and HONEST before God with those things that we struggle/wrestle with; God is FAITHFUL, God is ABLE to keep us {ALL} from falling; if we allow God to help us. No, friendship does not diminish God's word and what's expected of us as leaders by God as well as the congregation, and YES, we do OWE ACCOUNTABILITY to those that we lead!!!
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I am glad to see you add this clarification to your earlier post. This is an excellent word.
Also note that while God restored David to a right standing with Him he did not allow David to build the Temple There is a difference in being restored to God and continuing in Leadership. I am not saying it should never happen but there should be a considerable process and time before it does and in some instances it should never happen.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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10-06-2012, 09:22 AM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
When did God pull David off the throne? God punished David, but he didn't take the kingdom from David
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I am glad to see you add this clarification to your earlier post. This is an excellent word.
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Also note that while God restored David to a right standing with Him he did not allow David to build the Temple There is a difference in being restored to God and continuing in Leadership. I am not saying it should never happen but there should be a considerable process and time before it does and in some instances it should never happen.
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10-06-2012, 09:53 AM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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When did God pull David off the throne? God punished David, but he didn't take the kingdom from David
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So you think pastors discovered in hidden sexual sin should just keep on pastoring?
I can't answer why God did not remove David from the throne but that still does not negate that God did not allow him to build the Temple.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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10-06-2012, 10:16 AM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
Why do people use David staying king to justify a minister in adultery to continue on but don't use Saul being rejected for his sins?
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10-06-2012, 10:26 AM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Pastor Swift, thank you for all your words of wisdom. The foremost thing I thought, as i read the many posts, is that this is bigger than any man AND there is a church who is touched by all of the recent occurrences. If what is said about Bro. Black is true or not, he needs our prayers and compassion. The church is still a place of hope and healing. His family needs our prayers. Their lives are also turned topsy turvy over issues they didn't cause. And finally, the congregation needs prayer. We are without a, permanent pastor and are left reeling over this week’s events.
I have known Bro. Black for over 20 years. He touched my family's life in a positive way. Regardless of what happened, he may have forfeited many things, but he's still one "repentance" away from a road towards total recovery. I'm a poster child for the truth that you don't throw someone away and give up on them because of what they've done.
God bless Terry Black, the Black family and the entire TPC family, as we move forward in the purpose of God. Acts 2:38 is still TRUTH regardless of what any of us do. |
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10-06-2012, 10:57 AM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
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Why do people use David staying king to justify a minister in adultery to continue on but don't use Saul being rejected for his sins?
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10-06-2012, 11:09 AM
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Why do people use David staying king to justify a minister in adultery to continue on but don't use Saul being rejected for his sins?
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10-06-2012, 11:19 AM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
True. David did die the sin unto death,
that's kind of the important part...
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10-06-2012, 12:52 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
There a big difference between constructing a building and losing your job. Saul killed some sheep and lost his crown.
David may not have built the temple, but it was his money and his blueprint Soloman used to construct the church.
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So you think pastors discovered in hidden sexual sin should just keep on pastoring?
I can't answer why God did not remove David from the throne but that still does not negate that God did not allow him to build the Temple.
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A religious spirit allows people to tolerate hatred and anger under the guise of passion and holiness. Bill Johnson
Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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10-06-2012, 12:54 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns
Saul sin wasn't adultery and murder.
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Originally Posted by Truthseeker
Why do people use David staying king to justify a minister in adultery to continue on but don't use Saul being rejected for his sins?
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A religious spirit allows people to tolerate hatred and anger under the guise of passion and holiness. Bill Johnson
Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
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