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10-09-2012, 12:36 AM
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Re: Restoration after a moral failure
here is the question-- " would you allow a pedifile to become a teacher in the sunday school classroom". then why would you allow a pastor to regain his pastoral back after having an affair. I would say NO.
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10-09-2012, 01:49 AM
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Re: Restoration after a moral failure
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Originally Posted by UnTraditional
Seriously, I hope none of you ever falls. I mean, according to you all, if one does, then there is no hope for restoration. I feel so sorry for some of you, who have no grace, and think yourselves so high.
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What on earh are you taling about? Not one person has said a fallen pastor can't be restored. Did you eveb read the posts?
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10-09-2012, 06:54 AM
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Re: Restoration after a moral failure
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Originally Posted by Truthseeker
What on earh are you taling about? Not one person has said a fallen pastor can't be restored. Did you eveb read the posts?
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Don't confuse them with the facts! Apparently if you don't think a pastor caught in sexual sin should just keep right on pastoring without missing a beat you think a fallen pastor can't be restored.
Without a doubt he can be restored to right relationship with God. Restored to leadership is a whole other matter that should only happen after a long period of counseling, accountibility, and proving himself. Don't have to do all that to make it to heaven but you do to be in any kind of leadership after that kind of failure.
Personally, for me and my family, I would love a person like this and gladly fellowship with them but would never subject myself to their leadership.
The only exception I can think of is a preacher who used to post on this forum who as a teen preacher fell into sexual sin but since has lived decades without any reproach on his life. That is much different than a mature pastor who engages in sexual sin for an extended period of time. All the while preaching and acting as if he is right with God AND not admitting any guilt until caught.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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10-09-2012, 07:36 AM
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Re: Restoration after a moral failure
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
UnTraditional,
When you make statements like this, it makes me think you didn't thoroughly read posts. Perhaps you only scanned...
Restoration is possible for every repentant sinner. Both with God and in the church community. Whether a person can be restored to position isn't up to me. It's up to the local church, the person's family and the person's authorities.
Further, as I stated earlier, it isn't always in the best interest of the person who failed to be restored to a position of leadership--especially not right away. It does us good to step back, take a breath, stabilize ourselves with God and family, get our priorities straight and then later, possibly much later, see what God would have us do. And understand that if He wants us to do something that He will open the doors for us.
I realize that those who have gifts feel the driving need to express them. As a singer, musician and teacher, I can understand how painful it would be to not be able to sing, play or teach. However, I also understand that those things aren't going to get me into heaven and that they are lower in priority to my personal relationship with God and to my family relationships. If I had to pick one, it certainly wouldn't be my gifts.
I theorized for a moment and considered what I would want to happen if my own father or my pastor committed adultery (for example). I can tell you that the first thing I would want to happen would be a complete focus on the marital relationship and a setting aside of every extra-curricular, unnecessary obligation. When something like this happens, it causes trauma in the home and in the person, and you simply can't just "keep on keeping on." Not without utterly destroying yourself of your home.
There is much more to consider than simply a person's "right" to continue in ministry. Let compassion extend to considering the person's emotional, mental and spiritual health and the person's relationships--with God, family, friends and community. When trust has been violated, it takes time to heal those wounds. The idea that someone should "sit down" isn't supposed to just be about punishing them, if that's what it's about at all. It's about giving them time to recover their personal relationship with God, which has obviously gone awry, and time to recover relationships with others that matter far more than an hour in the pulpit every Sunday AM.
A minister with a family has God-given priorities that are more important than his ministry.
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As usual MB you hit the nail on the head!! Are you sure you're only 25? You are so wise, 
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10-09-2012, 09:30 AM
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Re: Restoration after a moral failure
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Originally Posted by Cindy
As usual MB you hit the nail on the head!! Are you sure you're only 25? You are so wise, |
HAHAHA!!! YES!!! Only 25!!!! 
. ..is it still a sin to lie? 
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