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Old 11-09-2012, 06:57 AM
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Re: A Gospel from Negativism

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No, but he was telling them and us, how to be saved. And Jesus said, unless we are born of the water and the Spirit/Holy Ghost, we can not be saved. And Jesus taught the apostles how to be born again. And Peter explained it
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The question asked is "what shall we do?" The question is not "what shall we do to be saved?" Anyway, Peter "commanded" them to Repent and be baptized because of the remission of sins
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Houston, what were they asking about, if they were not asking ----how to be saved?
When people are under conviction–“pricked in their heart” they generally want to know how to be saved.
The answer to the question, is in Peters answer. He wasn’t just making a suggestion, but he revealed to them the Plan of Salvation that Jesus had taught him, when He gave Peter the Keys (understanding) And that PLAN is for —“as many as our Lord shall call.”

After Peter told them how to be saved, there were 3,000 that listened and obeyed.

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Jesus said that you couldn't see the Kingdom of God. He did not say that you could not be saved
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And where is the “Kingdom of God?” If you don’t enter the Kingdom of God, where do you go?

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The Nay-sayers skip over the plain examples of the Truth that proves the Pentecostal message, to grab on something that the Bible DOESN’’T say. Trying to prove their point from a negative stance
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No one is trying to prove their point from a neg. stance, whatever that is supposed to mean. I'd rather make doctrine out of something specific rather than something implicit. I will not go the "better safe than sorry" route. I did that for too many years. I refuse to live in a box or to confine God to that box

Houston, ask a Main-line Denominational Christian, (and I see it has crept into Pentecost also) if they have the Holy Ghost? And they will tell you, they received the Holy Ghost automatically without speaking in other tongues, as soon as they believed.

Therefore they have to assume that they received it.. They have to take some preachers word for it. And-----there is not one scripture in the Bible that proves that. And they will point to the Ethiopian eunuch or the Phillipian jailer. It doesn’t tell us that they received the Holy Ghost, nor were baptized in Jesus name. Therefore their doctrine comes from what is not there, that is why I call it a negative doctrine. While they overlook the clear examples of Pentecost, of Samaria, Cornelius household, and the Ephesians. And that is--specific.

They are looking for a reason----NOT TO BELIEVE.

What the Bible does tell us is that Phillip preache "Christ" to the Samaritans. We are not told to contents of his message, but we see the results.

They Repented
Were baptized in Jesus name
Received the Holy Ghost

After that great revival Phillip was sent to the Ethiopian eunuch and preached “Jesus” to him. Do you think for one minute that he preached another gospel?

Paul preached, “the Word of the Lord” to the jailer.
Paul did’nt leave the Ephesians, until they had been baptized in Jesus name and received the Holy Ghost. Do you think he did any less, for the jailer.

The same Paul that wrote,

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Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed
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Old 11-09-2012, 07:11 AM
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Re: A Gospel from Negativism

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Yep. Everyone is saved saved saved just b/c they believe. as Johnny James put it, they run real fast through the gospels, do a long jump over Acts and land somewhere around Romans 10 and take that as the only verse they need to explain how to be saved. Ignore Acts. Ignore written church history from the early centuries. Just hold on real tight to "all I have to do is accept the Lord and I'm saved forever".
You got it, Nighthawk.

You should hear the excuses, that I have received on another Forum, where most are Baptist.

1. The book of Acts is just History.
2. The Holy Ghost was just for the Jews.
3. The Holy Ghost, as in Acts was just for the Early Church.
4. The Holy Ghost as in Acts are not relevant, today. (Insinuating that we are too modern for it.)
5. All didn’t speak in tongues, using 1 Cor 12, as their scripture, not knowing that Paul was talking about the gifts of the Spirit, after the Spirit is received.
6. Tongues is just for immature, emotional people.
7. Tongues is of the Devil.

Me thinks, they do protest too much.
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Old 11-09-2012, 10:01 AM
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Re: A Gospel from Negativism

1. The book of Acts is just History.
YES, ACTS IS A NARRATIVE.

2. The Holy Ghost was just for the Jews.
I DOUBT THE VERACITY OF THIS STATEMENT. I NEVER MET A CHRISTIAN THAT. DIDN'T BELIEVE IN THE NECESSITY OF THE HOLT GHOST.

5. All didn’t speak in tongues, using 1 Cor 12, as their scripture, not knowing that Paul was talking about the gifts of the Spirit, after the Spirit is received.
YOU MAKE A DISTINCTION WHERE THE BIBLE DOES NOT, THEN CLAIM SOME SPECIAL KNOWLEDGE THAT OTHERS DO NOT HAVE.

6. Tongues is just for immature, emotional people.
NO, BUT MANY WHO S.I.N. ARE IMMATURE IN THEIR FAITH. I WILL NOT EVEN START ON THE EMOTIONALISM.
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