Calling on the Name of the Lord

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by Chateau d'If

Both Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13 state that anyone who "calls" on the name of the Lord will be saved.

What does this mean?

By "calling" are we referring to mere vocalization, or must something else be attached to the plea for salvation to the name?

It means whatever you want it to mean... to make you feel comfortable about your soul's security. Not that'd you'd accept anything to the contrary.

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by FieryMethodist

No, it is not saying a prayer. It is a belief in the heart (results in justification), and the oral confession, calling on the name of the Lord, that gets the conversion and assurance, shall be saved. The faith statement, calling on the name of the Lord, means you put your trust in the event of Christ's resurrection for your salvation.





I'm a charismatic United Methodist minister. I was introduced to the Baptism in the Holy Spirit and tongues by a UPCI pastor. I did receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit and I spoke in tongues. Some in the Methodist church is getting it. When the UPC pastor tried to influence me to change from United Methodist to UPC, I disagree with the means of water baptism, the 'required' evidence of speaking in tongues, and I disagree with the standards of holiness, what to wear and not wear legalism.

However, I am absolutely convinced that we are saved by grace through faith without legalism. Yes, I preach Romans 10:13, ‘For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved’ for conversion as the only requirement for salvation. It is the moment you call upon the name of the Lord you SHALL BE SAVED.” I believe that just the faith statement, calling on the name of the Lord, is required for conversion, and I believe you do it without legalism, without being strict, without doctrinal conformity, without specific ritual procedures, without the ‘means’ of water baptism, and without speaking in tongues.

God Bless

You don't have to join UPC. You just need to go down in that water in the Name of Jesus Christ.

[trialedbyfire]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins

"arise and be baptized and WASH AWAY THY SINS calling on the name of the lord" Acts 22:16

I mean you REALLY don't have to be a Bible scholar to see a correlation there between baptism being FOR the remission of sins and washing away sins. Unfortunetly for the "eis" crowd there is no "eis" in Acts 22:16 to play with... it just means what it says. Or maybe not...

Acts 2:38 "Repent (only if you're a REALLY bad person otherwise just say the "sinners prayer") and be baptized (if you feel like it) every one of you (the Jews) in the Name of Jesus Christ (or the Father, or the Son, or the Holy Ghost, or all three, or a combination of the three, or Yogi Bear, pick one it doesn't matter anyway) and you shall recieve the (added blessing) Gift of the (Baptism of, not the "measure of" that you get when you repent or say the sinners prayer) Holy Ghost"

That's good BIBLE TEACHIN' RIGHT THERE!

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

"arise and be baptized and WASH AWAY THY SINS calling on the name of the lord" Acts 22:16

I mean you REALLY don't have to be a Bible scholar to see a correlation there between baptism being FOR the remission of sins and washing away sins. Unfortunetly for the "eis" crowd there is no "eis" in Acts 22:16 to play with... it just means what it says. Or maybe not...

Acts 2:38 "Repent (only if you're a REALLY bad person otherwise just say the "sinners prayer") and be baptized (if you feel like it) every one of you (the Jews) in the Name of Jesus Christ (or the Father, or the Son, or the Holy Ghost, or all three, or a combination of the three, or Yogi Bear, pick one it doesn't matter anyway) and you shall recieve the (added blessing) Gift of the (Baptism of, not the "measure of" that you get when you repent or say the sinners prayer) Holy Ghost"

That's good BIBLE TEACHIN' RIGHT THERE!

What's your comment on Acts 10:43. It was Peter who said it also, right?

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by trialedbyfire

"arise and be baptized and WASH AWAY THY SINS calling on the name of the lord" Acts 22:16

I mean you REALLY don't have to be a Bible scholar to see a correlation there between baptism being FOR the remission of sins and washing away sins. Unfortunetly for the "eis" crowd there is no "eis" in Acts 22:16 to play with... it just means what it says. Or maybe not...

Acts 2:38 "Repent (only if you're a REALLY bad person otherwise just say the "sinners prayer") and be baptized (if you feel like it) every one of you (the Jews) in the Name of Jesus Christ (or the Father, or the Son, or the Holy Ghost, or all three, or a combination of the three, or Yogi Bear, pick one it doesn't matter anyway) and you shall recieve the (added blessing) Gift of the (Baptism of, not the "measure of" that you get when you repent or say the sinners prayer) Holy Ghost"

That's good BIBLE TEACHIN' RIGHT THERE!

Hey Bro,
I think I sense a bit of sarcasm.


So that I don't misunderstand exactly what you believe, will you state plainly what you are trying to say in the above quote?

[Holyroller125]

Christ instructed on what “should be preached” in (Luke 24:45-49). Paul introduced the "word of faith" that ‘was’ preached in (Rom. 10:8b). He went on to explain how to be saved by using logical explanatory markers throughout his writing (for). Paul’s mastery of expository writing was built up to the main emphasis of his letter: “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved” (Romans 10:13).

In Romans 10 verse 10, belief results in justification, and oral confession results in your salvation. Justification is an act of God that is performed independently of humans, unaided by humans, and without any human volition. Notice that believing in this Scripture is not the climax, and the confession alone is not adequate for salvation. Confession without believing from the heart is how churches and societies get false believers and false conversions. Even the great Protestant Reformers who taught the principle of salvation by faith alone (sola fide) also preached that intellectual (mental) assent alone does not bring salvation. According to Wallace, I observed that the present tense verbs for believe and confess are instantaneous presents (a.k.a., also known as punctiliar or aoristic present). Also according to Wallace, “The present tense may be used to indicate that an action is completed at the moment of speaking.” In other words, conversion occurs instantaneously in the present from a past aorist event for a future promise of salvation. Therefore, the moment you make just the faith statement, calling on the name of the Lord; you shall be saved.

[FieryMethodist]

Originally Posted by Chateau d'If

So you felt like you needed to do something to save yourself?

Originally Posted by mizpeh

It means what it says. If you want to be saved, you have to call on the name of the Lord. I believe it involves vocalization of his name (after all the believer is calling on Jesus to save him/her). I think the stress in that verse is "whosoever" calls on the name of the Lord. It's something we do throughout the process of the new birth.

From the time of Enosh, the third human generation began to call upon the name of the Lord after realizing their fragileness, weakness, and mortality (Gen. 4:26). Bare faith justified Abraham alone, and he called on the name of the Lord before the law (Gen. 12:8). He called on the name of the Lord with just the bare faith statement, without any rules, even without any ‘standards of holiness,’ even without circumcision, and it occurred in the Old Testament. On the other hand, we are justified by faith only without being strict, having rules, or trusting in the weight of ritual. I believe it because the following is true: That if you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. For it is with your heart you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth you confess and are saved. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved (Rom. 10:9-10, 13).

Therefore, I am absolutely convinced that we are saved by grace through faith without legalism. First, some misinterpreted John 7:38-39: “Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will from within him. By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified” (NIV). They interpreted it to mean people “have” to speak in tongues when they receive the Holy Spirit and become saved. How we “with joy” draw water out of the wells of salvation? Isaiah prophesied:

Surely God is my salvation; I will trust and not be afraid. The LORD, the LORD, is my strength and my song; he has become my salvation. With joy you will draw water from the wells of salvation. In that day you will say: “Give thanks to the LORD, call on his name…” (Isa. 12:2-4, NIV).

You must call upon the name of the Lord in order to draw out the living waters from the wells of salvation. Further, you draw out the waters of salvation “with joy.” If your theological praxis is not done “with joy,” the belief system in question is not a healthy Biblical doctrine. Therefore, I believe now that speaking in tongues are a gift that a Christian can get, but it is not required evidence that everyone has to seek. I want to be clear about that. I will not preach that everyone has to speak in tongues to be saved. Many are familiar with Joel’s prophecy about the Holy Spirit, but those same people have not paid attention to the fact that receiving the Holy Spirit requires our calling on the name of the Lord.

Second, I used to believe that someone had to be ‘rebaptized’ (by immersion in the name of Jesus Christ) to be saved. Specifically, the belief was everyone had to be baptized that certain way, and if someone was baptized differently, they had to be rebaptized. I do not believe in ‘rebaptism’ in order to be saved or to become a member. I also do not believe that it is the baptism rite itself that we are saved. Third, I used to believe that everyone had to comply with a strict list of rules in order to be saved, to be a member of the church, and to be accepted by people in the church. Now, what matters is the sincerity in the heart.

Calling on the name of the Lord was not invented by us. The faith statement began with the third generation of humankind (Gen. 4:26). Enosh, the Son of Seth, means weak, frail, and mortal (Holladay, 22). Someone does not call on the name of the Lord when they do not realize they are weak, frail, and mortal. You do not need to call on the name of the Lord if you are strong, powerful, controlling, and immortal. Yet, patriarchs, prophets, and saints have spontaneously believed and called on the name of the Lord to be saved. The moment you call upon the name of the Lord; you SHALL BE SAVED.

On Sunday (July 18, 2004), a member from Grace United Methodist Church (UMC) introduced the following, “Romans 10:13 tells us that ‘For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’ ” The Methodist encouraged me to call upon the name of the Lord for conversion without trusting in legalism, ritual, or speaking in tongues. Later, I was processing my insecurity, and I decided to try conversion with just the faith statement. Yes, I did do it. I called upon the name of the Lord for conversion, and I decided to do it without legalism. Yes, I had an instantaneous conversion the moment I called upon the name of the Lord. After this, I had a lot of assurance come upon me from the Lord. Now, I no longer have a sense of shame. Hence, no one will be put to shame (Rom. 10:11). I now have the witness of the Spirit assuring ME I am one of God's children. And, I know that Christ died for MY sins, and that MY sins are forgiven. And, I know that God has accepted ME and OTHERS without legalism and (false) standards. The more mature view of assurance took away my guilt and removed my fears.

Now, I believe that we are absolutely saved by grace through faith without legalism. I believe the means of salvation is justification by faith alone. I believe that calling on the name of the Lord is required for conversion, and someone can receive the “baptism of the Holy Spirit” without speaking in tongues. I believe that someone begins a relationship with God by their belief in the heart and confession of faith. I believe that conversion occurs instantaneously the moment you make just the faith statement, calling on the name of the Lord. Nevertheless, I want to encourage others to have faith, believe in the resurrection, and call upon the name of the Lord for conversion, and do it without legalism.


God Bless,

[Praxeas]

So a person needs to call on the name of the Lord to be saved and that is bare faith?

[FieryMethodist]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

It means what it says. If you want to be saved, you have to call on the name of the Lord. I believe it involves vocalization of his name (after all the believer is calling on Jesus to save him/her). I think the stress in that verse is "whosoever" calls on the name of the Lord. It's something we do throughout the process of the new birth.

Some more scriptural thoughts to ponder:

Conversion is not a long process of: water baptism in Jesus' name, Holy Spirit while waiting for evidence of speaking in tongues, standards of holiness, legalism, rituals, etc. etc.

I found out after looking at numerous conversion examples when people received assurance, forgiveness, was at the moment of belief and oral confession of faith. At one point is someone justified? At one point does someone receive the assurance, "Shall Be Saved?" At one point does one access grace? Receive the peace of God? Here is some additional Scriptures and points:

Romans 3:28 (NIV) - For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.

-some refer to "works of the law" here as just Judaic legalism, but "works of the law" in the context of this verse is any legalism [standards].

Romans 5:1 (NIV) - Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

Romans 5:2 (NIV) - through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we boast in the hope of the glory of God.

1. Faith alone justifies a man
2. we have peace with God because of the justification
3. we access grace by faith only

Romans Chs. 1-6 dealt with justification by faith only
Romans 10 dealt with the practical and pastoral aspect of justification. The how someone is justified?

I used to be KJV only, but the NIV made it clear to me:

That if you confess with you mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with the heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

Belief in heart = justification
confess with mouth = saved
justification and saved are symotaneous, and the belief and confessioni are instantaneous presents in the Greek New Testament.

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord (Romans 10:13) is also instantaneous. Therefore, conversion is not a process of (water baptism, ritual, more ritual, speaking in tongues, standards, etc. etc,)

That is why I believe that conversion occurs at the moment of faith and belief when we, call upon the name of the Lord.

[Dordrecht]

That is why I believe that conversion occurs at the moment of faith and belief when we, call upon the name of the Lord.

You are going to be in trouble for this!
(But I do agree)