Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns

[Tlswift2009]

Originally Posted by PrincessofGod

I to was a member at TPC for over 15 years and have known Bro Black as a Great man of God. I do to see that he is only human and we all fall short of the glory of God from time to time... But to stand up and preach on internet and controlling what is in your home and so on then to go and do what e is saying not to do... That will make a lot of people question everything he has taught... specially people who are new in christ. I dont understand the stealing money from the church... I dont have a problem with his family all working at the church but making 100,000 for each kid and paying himself 300,000 a yr is insane... No pastor should be making that much. And if they do they should be giving that money to Gods Church and helping people in need. He is just a man and i pray for him and his soul but i just dont understand how someone can live a two faced life

Can you believe that Pastor Hawkins of Bountiful Blessing {former G.E. Patterson's Church} makes a base salaray of $58,000.00 a month??? There is so many/much GREED in the Pentecostal Churchworld..

[Fiyahstarter]

Originally Posted by Tlswift2009

Can you believe that Pastor Hawkins of Bountiful Blessing {former G.E. Patterson's Church} makes a base salaray of $58,000.00 a month??? There is so many/much GREED in the Pentecostal Churchworld..

SINFUL, in my opinion.

But according to TV1a: A pastor's salary should not be capped, as long as the money is there to take...and to think otherwise is arrogance. (paraphrased).

I hope people WAKE UP and quit giving blindly to these "men of the cloth" who have made their "calling" a way to fatten their personal pocketbooks.

We must demand accountability in the church. How much is coming in? How much is going out, and where??? A good steward of God's money should be EAGER (even proud) to show these statistics. If they are not willing, then wonder why!!

[tv1a]

Why don't you quote me instead of paraphrasing. In case you haven't noticed, I'm a stickler for accuracy. Here are my words.

"My pastor is worth more than $300,000. It is arrogance to suggest a pastor's salary be capped as long as the finances are there."

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

SINFUL, in my opinion.

But according to TV1a: A pastor's salary should not be capped, as long as the money is there to take...and to think otherwise is arrogance. (paraphrased).

I hope people WAKE UP and quit giving blindly to these "men of the cloth" who have made their "calling" a way to fatten their personal pocketbooks.

We must demand accountability in the church. How much is coming in? How much is going out, and where??? A good steward of God's money should be EAGER (even proud) to show these statistics. If they are not willing, then wonder why!!

[MissBrattified]

I don't particularly care about specific salary amounts, although the salaries mentioned above seem gargantuan. It would be more important to me to know what was being done with all that money. Lots of traveling, especially to other countries, can be extremely expensive, so knowing details is important to judging what is reasonable or not. Our church sent our pastor, pastor's wife and son to Japan a few years ago for an anniversary trip because they were former missionaries to Japan, and it cost several thousand dollars. That was a once-in-25-years gift, but I can imagine travel expenses racking up quickly if someone was traveling multiple times per year or month.

Transparency, on the other hand, is very, very important. If a pastor or church board doesn't want to be transparent about what happens to the money the constituents give, that's a big red flag. Those who give have a right to know where the money is going.

[Steve Epley]

People make choices! They choose where to go to church(some choose to stay home) some choose to tithe(some choose not to tithe)some choose to give. The ministry is the only profession I know where some not matter the amount always feel like the preacher is getting too much money. They don't fuss what the doctor makes or the lawyer makes or corporate officiers make. Only preachers. Do some preacher misuse money? I am afraid some might. But their salary is given by folks who choose to support their pastor and really it is no one else's business besides those who give it how much they make.
My pastor was retired from the coal mines for black lung he recieved a settlement and bought a nice car. I remember the grumbling about the car. He bought it with his own money. His salary which was a disgrace was posted on the board for folks to see. Our church was a money church yet they had him on such a small salary. However there was a group of saints in that church wo would not put their tithing through that board nd demanded he take it personally. God bless them.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

People make choices! They choose where to go to church(some choose to stay home) some choose to tithe(some choose not to tithe)some choose to give. The ministry is the only profession I know where some not matter the amount always feel like the preacher is getting too much money. They don't fuss what the doctor makes or the lawyer makes or corporate officiers make. Only preachers. Do some preacher misuse money? I am afraid some might. But their salary is given by folks who choose to support their pastor and really it is no one else's business besides those who give it how much they make.
My pastor was retired from the coal mines for black lung he recieved a settlement and bought a nice car. I remember the grumbling about the car. He bought it with his own money. His salary which was a disgrace was posted on the board for folks to see. Our church was a money church yet they had him on such a small salary. However there was a group of saints in that church wo would not put their tithing through that board nd demanded he take it personally. God bless them.

Everyone makes choices. Some choose to preach a message which promotes them as lord over one of the many building-based 'churches' which they label the "house of God". Some choose to promote the message that they're the individual who controls the application of the redemptive blood of the Lamb of God unto an individual and without them, no blood is applied. Some choose to teach that since an individual controls the application of the blood of the Lamb of God is controlled by them, any deviation from their ritual will withhold the redemptive blood from the individual calling upon Jesus for salvation, i.e., the tremendously ignorant and unlearned statement that "all trinitarians are going to hell".

Some choose to follow a man-centric romanist religious system, others choose not to do that and choose to follow a Jesus-centric gospel instead.

I choose to reject you as mediator between God and man, but others will choose to believe your swill that it's you who holds the blood and it's you who has the power to apply it.

We all make choices. Every one of us.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Everyone makes choices. Some choose to preach a message which promotes them as lord over one of the many building-based 'churches' which they label the "house of God". Some choose to promote the message that they're the individual who controls the application of the redemptive blood of the Lamb of God unto an individual and without them, no blood is applied. Some choose to teach that since an individual controls the application of the blood of the Lamb of God is controlled by them, any deviation from their ritual will withhold the redemptive blood from the individual calling upon Jesus for salvation, i.e., the tremendously ignorant and unlearned statement that "all trinitarians are going to hell".

Some choose to follow a man-centric romanist religious system, others choose not to do that and choose to follow a Jesus-centric gospel instead.

I choose to reject you as mediator between God and man, but others will choose to believe your swill that it's you who holds the blood and it's you who has the power to apply it.

We all make choices. Every one of us.

Speaking of Rome you never did answer if you had an Xmas tree?

[MemphisTN]

Originally Posted by HolyFire

People forget Bro. Trimble was Asst. for a while - not a family member.

I wished people who don't know facts would not post false facts. Bro Trimble is a Cousin of Pastor Terry black.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Speaking of Rome you never did answer if you had an Xmas tree?

You never explained your view that the blood of the Lamb of God isn't imputed to an individual without your intercession with God on behalf of that individual.

[MemphisTN]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Um. You really can't possibly know this. Growing up as a PK I experienced a lot of hurts that those in the pew can't identify with--however, most people have experienced hurt in general and we can all commiserate at that level.

what makes the PK kids say things like this, we should not divide, PK's Parents are also the parents of the church as u, so when they do things to those other KIDS in the Pew's that ur speaking of its' the same thing. I agree with you that sometimes PK kids have a ruff time, but it's like comparing the RICH TO THE POOR. And people in the PEW are somewhat like kids under the pastors their his children and saints, he has to take care of them all. It's a huge responsibility, but often times PK's want pity, and they say that they have had it harder than the ones that come off the street, i don't see it that away, I think we all have it hard on both sides of the fence. we should stop comparing PK's to Saints. Neither has it worse than the other. I have lived upstairs from my pastor and i can hear everything that went on. they are no different than us they just have a lot of Burden but its their JOB they signed up for that job. You didn't sign up to be a PK but u were raised to be one. So i get where u r coming from, but i used to hear the PK kids get up and tell the Other Kids in the church that they had it worse than those that come off the street. I used to get so angry, i hated hearing that. The thing is neither of us have walked in the others shoes so therefore we can't say either way. It's hard for PK and its hard for Non PK. I've seen Ministry families where they were all in it for The Souls and for helping serving People and they just stuck together.