Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns

[MemphisTN]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I agree with you from the point of view that a church should be non-profit, although even non-profit organizations pay out salaries to employees.

This thread is going off on a tangent, but I will say this: some pastors accumulate wealth because they take too much of what is given; others accumulate wealth because they are good stewards of what they are given and/or because they have earned money from private efforts. Those who fall into the latter category should be respected for their stewardship, not criticized for it.

Our pastor takes a far-too-modest-salary (IMO) and has to supplement by working outside jobs. I really dislike that, because I know he would be more productive for the church and community if he didn't have to work the extra jobs. When a church asks a pastor to come and work for them, I don't see the problem with the church offering compensation. A pastor is ultimately still a man who needs to provide for his family, first and foremost. I fail to see how working for the church and earning a living should be mutually exclusive.

I believe for every church to survive the Pastor should not work. It's not fair, nor the First Lady. Unless she works at the church. That is what they are here for to Work in the fields& in the Church House. A pastor also has the right to take 100% of the tithes as well for salary if he wishes. But then you have board members who run the church some pastors own their churches and put the UPC logo on it, but the church is not considered a UPCI church but the pastor holds a UPCI license. therefor the pastor owns the church and thus he cannot be kicked to the curb when something happens. In this case i do not know but I would guess that he did not have that control. This church went thru this same ordeal in 1985-1986. I will not say names, but the Former Pastor and Teacher at the academy school of this church--He was having an affair with his secretary and the men of the church board followed him one night when he left the platform during the service and they caught them at the pastors Home and I think they got it on Video for proof.

This church has really had it ruff. I was very surprised to hear of this issue today. When bro black took over he was very hard to deal with!!!! Bro Black grew over the years and became a different person to me. In those days if the Mans hair was to long they would sit you down in 2 seconds. but what gets me is these pastors have these rules that are so over rated, they don't follow some of them but u have to. I went to visit this church years later and i was told that Bro Black didn't live in a big house as the previous pastor lived in a 2 story with a Maid, and bro black didn't even drive a new car. So i cannot say anything about that part. But I saw this day coming in the back of my mind. I wonder how long it would take for this to unfold. Yes he deserves forgiveness and his is human, but when you Hammer down on PEOPLE about RULES and you KNOCK PEOPLE down out of positions because their hair is long and touches their collars thats going over board. But the other more serious rules don't seem to apply here in this situation.

Because if he was doing anything of what has been talked about he should have Sat himself down right after it happened. But it's seems today that a PASTOR can fall down and he can remain the pastor if he commits a SIN that would SIT other's down , who sits him down? I believe that everyone deserves a second chance but in this case, I was the one with my hair touching my COLLAR and i ws drug into his office and told that he never wanted to see me on his platform again, i was on the platform in the dark when church wasn't even going on. But Today I hear that this man has fallen and I wonder why the rules don't apply to them? Because I was not committing ANY SINS , I actually went in to tell him a situation that happened to me as a kid, and I was confused, but he didnt want me having any part of the platform or any leadership. Yet i was not committing any sin. But he can commit Moral sins and he gets the FREE PASS until the People find out about it.

This is why people are fed up with RELIGION and POLITICS. The pastors family has a right to work in the church, I won't say anything about that issue. But it seems to me that everyone in his family was on the payroll just about. including sons in laws.......... All of this stuff back in the day was so strict laws but now we find out that things are being DONE and the rules change when its seems convenient to their situation. to me this is not fair. But everyone at that church went along with it. People's lives are being ruined and people are walking away from church because of Pastors who can RUN THE SHOW any way they want and the rules are changing. The world has been watching this group for a long time and slowly but surely the rules are changing.....NO TV to TV ....NO JEWELRY to Some JEWELRY, Only wedding rings, but now oh women can have an extra ring on the other hand as long as its a mothers day ring and class rings,. Dress code is getting worse, Womens clothes getting tighter skirt splits higher, girls wearing their shirts to their Cleavage..whats next MINI SKIRTS and tank tops? also men waering their pants so tight u can see their JUNK in the TRUNK and UNDER THE HOOD, that's discusting, ... I seen a PASTOR big name in UPC singer too his wife posted a facebook PIC of her in a BIKINI with her TOP untied but she was on her stomach and her whole body was exposed. I just don't get it. It's not ok when the saints mess up, but it's ok when Pastors are getting away with this stuff. It's a double standard and it's not fair.
That's it Im done.
I was a Former Member of this Church thru Both Pastors. So don't say I don't have my Facts because I was there.

[MemphisTN]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

More and more I can see the case for biblical pattern of elders overseeeing the church.

I would also be curious to know if Pastor Terry Blacks Mother , MOTHER BLACK, was getting a Paycheck or if she was on the payroll of this church? Not to be mean, she is a sweet lady, The Blacks came in and took over this church or was voted in, His mom drove a Big blue 4 door Mercedes in the days when they took over. I believe that he should care for his Mother but I can almost bet you they found her a position on the Payroll. I now someone will call me out on this but it seems that that whole family including INLAWS were on payroll. If they can do the job hey they should get the job. But it was just a thought that occured to me.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by MemphisTN

I believe for every church to survive the Pastor should not work. It's not fair, nor the First Lady. Unless she works at the church. That is what they are here for to Work in the fields& in the Church House. A pastor also has the right to take 100% of the tithes as well for salary if he wishes. But then you have board members who run the church some pastors own their churches and put the UPC logo on it, but the church is not considered a UPCI church but the pastor holds a UPCI license. therefor the pastor owns the church and thus he cannot be kicked to the curb when something happens. In this case i do not know but I would guess that he did not have that control. This church went thru this same ordeal in 1985-1986. I will not say names, but the Former Pastor and Teacher at the academy school of this church--He was having an affair with his secretary and the men of the church board followed him one night when he left the platform during the service and they caught them at the pastors Home and I think they got it on Video for proof.

This church has really had it ruff. I was very surprised to hear of this issue today. When bro black took over he was very hard to deal with!!!! Bro Black grew over the years and became a different person to me. In those days if the Mans hair was to long they would sit you down in 2 seconds. but what gets me is these pastors have these rules that are so over rated, they don't follow some of them but u have to. I went to visit this church years later and i was told that Bro Black didn't live in a big house as the previous pastor lived in a 2 story with a Maid, and bro black didn't even drive a new car. So i cannot say anything about that part. But I saw this day coming in the back of my mind. I wonder how long it would take for this to unfold. Yes he deserves forgiveness and his is human, but when you Hammer down on PEOPLE about RULES and you KNOCK PEOPLE down out of positions because their hair is long and touches their collars thats going over board. But the other more serious rules don't seem to apply here in this situation.

Because if he was doing anything of what has been talked about he should have Sat himself down right after it happened. But it's seems today that a PASTOR can fall down and he can remain the pastor if he commits a SIN that would SIT other's down , who sits him down? I believe that everyone deserves a second chance but in this case, I was the one with my hair touching my COLLAR and i ws drug into his office and told that he never wanted to see me on his platform again, i was on the platform in the dark when church wasn't even going on. But Today I hear that this man has fallen and I wonder why the rules don't apply to them? Because I was not committing ANY SINS , I actually went in to tell him a situation that happened to me as a kid, and I was confused, but he didnt want me having any part of the platform or any leadership. Yet i was not committing any sin. But he can commit Moral sins and he gets the FREE PASS until the People find out about it.

This is why people are fed up with RELIGION and POLITICS. The pastors family has a right to work in the church, I won't say anything about that issue. But it seems to me that everyone in his family was on the payroll just about. including sons in laws.......... All of this stuff back in the day was so strict laws but now we find out that things are being DONE and the rules change when its seems convenient to their situation. to me this is not fair. But everyone at that church went along with it. People's lives are being ruined and people are walking away from church because of Pastors who can RUN THE SHOW any way they want and the rules are changing. The world has been watching this group for a long time and slowly but surely the rules are changing.....NO TV to TV ....NO JEWELRY to Some JEWELRY, Only wedding rings, but now oh women can have an extra ring on the other hand as long as its a mothers day ring and class rings,. Dress code is getting worse, Womens clothes getting tighter skirt splits higher, girls wearing their shirts to their Cleavage..whats next MINI SKIRTS and tank tops? also men waering their pants so tight u can see their JUNK in the TRUNK and UNDER THE HOOD, that's discusting, ... I seen a PASTOR big name in UPC singer too his wife posted a facebook PIC of her in a BIKINI with her TOP untied but she was on her stomach and her whole body was exposed. I just don't get it. It's not ok when the saints mess up, but it's ok when Pastors are getting away with this stuff. It's a double standard and it's not fair.
That's it Im done.
I was a Former Member of this Church thru Both Pastors. So don't say I don't have my Facts because I was there.

no disrespect intended, but you should really paragraph your posts and space between so that your post aren't to difficult to read.

[MemphisTN]

Originally Posted by H Gang

"Slipped"? That's sugarcoating it to say the least. Slipped would be a lapse in judgment. An unguarded moment. A foolish decision in the heat of the moment. No, this was systematic, habitual, premeditated, weaving an intricate web of deception for years of immoral behavior and stealing all the while projecting himself a champion for holiness standards and the denomination. And he said plenty the week before. He said "you will find questionable things in 54 years, as I would yours". He draws a moral equivalency by basically saying "we all sin" to water down the severity of his sins and hypocrisy. And then he goes on and on about jackals and how they should be shot. And then encouraged everyone to turn to their neighbor and ask them, "Are you a sheep or are you a jackal? They'll already know." So he got his chance to come clean that day, but he chose to try to demonize those who knew the truth about him and called him on it. Why would the board want to trust him to say more after that sham? Did he love the church? After promising to build a new building and raising funds for years and years, with nothing to show for it but an opulent lifestyle and nepotism? Is stealing money from and deceiving a congregation love? Or was it love of self and the lifestyle, the late night expensive steak dinners, the lavish vacations, the houses, the cars, the clothes, the wealth? Give it time, maybe the board will still present something more, maybe they're just trying to work through it.

When this happened in 1985-1986 with the FORMER pastor and his family they threw him out, He even had is DAD the BISHOP of the UPIC come in to his defense but it didn't work, other people came and tried to say Let's over look this mishap. I do get what she is saying about forgetting all he has done. There is just too much going on here.

[MemphisTN]

Originally Posted by MemphisTN

When this happened in 1985-1986 with the FORMER pastor and his family they threw him out, He even had is DAD the BISHOP of the UPIC come in to his defense but it didn't work, other people came and tried to say Let's over look this mishap. I do get what she is saying about forgetting all he has done. There is just too much going on here.

when i came back to visit 3-4 years ago, a friend told me that Bro Black didn't live in a BIG HOUSE or a Expensive neighbor hood, it was normal and that they drove used CARS. So was this family lying to me because it sounds now like they were living it up/???

[MemphisTN]

Originally Posted by tv1a

I question the spiritual integrity of a person suggesting this forum is exactly what is needed for this situation when the Bible clearly states to avoid with drama. One of my mentors said in these types of conflict, both sides are probably lying. Chances are the truth is different from perception.

i will say this, when a Man of God is sinning behind the scenes and he is Hammering down on the saints heads with a hammer, and sitting them down taking positions away from them for their SCREWUP mishaps, what gives him the right to do this?????????

[MemphisTN]

Originally Posted by Tlswift2009

Amen!!! Leadership is also ACCCOUNTABLE to the flock that they serve. Answers should be given concerning the former Pastor's resignation, and why: it will help to heal and to bring closure...

wow u said it. You are so correct. They won't be able to put it to closure until he comes forward with truth. Everyone deserves to know the truth.

[MemphisTN]

Originally Posted by H Gang

This level of denial is disturbing. Even if you don't have detailed proof of wrongdoing, he resigned. If the man was innocent, why in the world would he step down without a fight? If you require proof, then buckle up because if you ever get it, it's going to obliterate the false image you have constructed about this man. He's not great. He constructed a public image of greatness but in private he was anything but. And if you were a good member, and did your duty, and marched in lock-step, and never asked questions or ever showed signs of not being adoring or had a mind of your own, you would never have seen the side of this man that many saw. Many got to see a self indulgent, self promoting, condescending, manipulative, hypocritical narcissist. And if he started another church, you couldn't pay me to darken those doors.

I agree with CC1, there will be another church. If not pastored by him, by one of the sons in law, with the man lurking in the shadows. And if the ALJC takes him or the WPF he'll connect with them because a big part of his identity was the preaching gigs around the world and country. He'll try to resurrect that. Or he'll get a revelation about grace (hopefully) and minister in a whole new way and actually do a 180 and begin pointing people to the cross, instead of uncut hair and shout down services.

I thought there was scripture about the Bishop failing in a certain sin he could not no longer be a bishop am i missing something?????

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by MemphisTN

I believe for every church to survive the Pastor should not work. It's not fair, nor the First Lady. Unless she works at the church. That is what they are here for to Work in the fields& in the Church House. A pastor also has the right to take 100% of the tithes as well for salary if he wishes..

Yeah...that's a bunch of baloney. In a well working church the entire body is working in the fields and in the so called "Church House", with the Pastor equiping the body to do that work

No, he does not have that right. That is where bad pastors come from when they believe they have a right to take.

[MemphisTN]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Pretty much says it.

and all those that have attended this church and have gotten hurt and left or had to leave also DESERVES to know. People who watched on LINE deserve to know. TPC was hiding all that the 1st pastor did in whitehaven to. But they have to answer to people now at a whole different level. You have the internet church to answer to. Don't worry about what happened just deal with it tell the truth and the truth shall set everyone free. Bottom Line. TRUTH SHALL Set U FREE