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Old 01-02-2013, 02:47 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns

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Poor Terry Black. He's so misunderstood and mistreated.

I think we should receive an offering for him.
rofl.....yeah...so he can buy another BMW for his daughter or son....lol and say its going to a worthy cause! >:-(
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Old 01-02-2013, 04:30 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns

The UPCI only discovered "restoration" when the bluebloods son's started having moral failures. Right off the top of my head I can think of three UPC 20th century legends whose sons required either restoration or the appearance of it in the past 25 years or so.

As someone mentioned these sons received treatment strictly based on their last name. Any other licensed minister in their situation would have been toast with no questions asked.

I still highly respect all three of the elders (father's) I refer to but no doubt this bias toward protecting their sons was a weakness. The same weakness I see in much of old time Pentecost and in ex old time Pentecost churches where churches are passed down to sons like a deserved legacy regardless of whether or not the sons are the best person to lead the flock.
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There is scripture that says the man of God has the right to 100 % of the tithes. It's the offerings that pays the church bills and the pastor can take 100%, most do not because they cannot operate like that, but there are some that do.
Well this should be an interesting topic. Please post this verse that says Pastors have a right to take 100% of tithes.
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Old 01-02-2013, 05:08 PM
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i was told by my pastor that , there is scripture that the bible speaks of that says the TITHES belong to the PASTOR and the Offerings pay the bills.
Are we being punked? You were told by your Pastor?
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Old 01-02-2013, 08:15 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns

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Why don't you quote me instead of paraphrasing. In case you haven't noticed, I'm a stickler for accuracy. Here are my words.

"My pastor is worth more than $300,000. It is arrogance to suggest a pastor's salary be capped as long as the finances are there."
Yeah, that's what I said you said...LOL.

Sorry, I disagree. Half-million dollar homes, Escalades, BMWers, excessive spending... seriously. I don't think God is pleased with pastors fleecing their flocks.

Let's play JEOPARDY!!

I'll take Words that Begin With 'A' for $500

And the answer is:

A lack of this is often too tempting for even the best of people.

What is ACCOUNTABILITY, Alex?

Ding, Ding, Ding.

I'll take Words that Begin With 'A' for $800

And the answer is:

What a person has if they think pastors' salaries should be capped.

What is ARROGANCE, Alex?

No, sorry. We were going for ABSURDITY.
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Yeah, that's what I said you said...LOL.

Sorry, I disagree. Half-million dollar homes, Escalades, BMWers, excessive spending... seriously. I don't think God is pleased with pastors fleecing their flocks.

Let's play JEOPARDY!!

I'll take Words that Begin With 'A' for $500

And the answer is:

A lack of this is often too tempting for even the best of people.

What is ACCOUNTABILITY, Alex?

Ding, Ding, Ding.

I'll take Words that Begin With 'A' for $800

And the answer is:

What a person has if they think pastors' salaries should be capped.

What is ARROGANCE, Alex?

No, sorry. We were going for ABSURDITY.
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns

Just wondering... does this church have an active benevolent fund for the unfortunate?
It would be awesome if they do.
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SINFUL, in my opinion.

But according to TV1a: A pastor's salary should not be capped, as long as the money is there to take...and to think otherwise is arrogance. (paraphrased).

I hope people WAKE UP and quit giving blindly to these "men of the cloth" who have made their "calling" a way to fatten their personal pocketbooks.

We must demand accountability in the church. How much is coming in? How much is going out, and where??? A good steward of God's money should be EAGER (even proud) to show these statistics. If they are not willing, then wonder why!!
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I thought there was scripture about the Bishop failing in a certain sin he could not no longer be a bishop am i missing something?????
No-you're on biblical point!!!! There's so MUCH sinning and double-standards going on in the church with certain persons, and family members!!! A Bishop should be EXACTLY what the bible says; BLAMELESS!!! Adultery is NO accident; it's a choice!!!
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Well this should be an interesting topic. Please post this verse that says Pastors have a right to take 100% of tithes.
I need to be shown that scripture! Maybe in a small church- I was shocked to learn that LOTS of preachers take 100% of the tithes! I am not talking about little churches- I am talking about preachers making 7 figures. At some point it is just pimps in the pulpits..
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