I love being Apostolic!

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by scotty

Acts 5; 1-10

Accused
Condemned
Sentenced
Executed


On a side note; isn't that the point of the Epistles? Condemn the saints for going astray?

Ah, I was asking for scripture and verse where Jesus or the disciples condemned SINNERS, which was the key term here.........of course, Jesus and the disciples condemned supposed Christians who weren't doing right........but, curious as to where a sinner was ever condemned.......

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Ah, I was asking for scripture and verse where Jesus or the disciples condemned SINNERS, which was the key term here.........of course, Jesus and the disciples condemned supposed Christians who weren't doing right........but, curious as to where a sinner was ever condemned.......

They were sinners

At least I hope they were.

Surely they didn't drop dead just to make a point.

[scotty]

Didn't Jesus condemn the rich man?

After all, He told him what was needed for salvation, knowing he wouldn't do it.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by scotty

They were sinners

At least I hope they were.

Surely they didn't drop dead just to make a point.

I know you're dodging the point, and I can understand why.......it's a sticky wicket.

Ok, let's make this distinction:

How did Jesus treat those who seemingly didn't know the truth, i.e., the woman at the well......and those who DID know the truth but chose to ignore it, turn their backs on it, or just violate it outright?

For instance - how did Jesus deal with the demon possessed man in the cemetary, vs. the Pharisees?

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I know you're dodging the point, and I can understand why.......it's a sticky wicket.

Ok, let's make this distinction:

How did Jesus treat those who seemingly didn't know the truth, i.e., the woman at the well......and those who DID know the truth but chose to ignore it, turn their backs on it, or just violate it outright?

For instance - how did Jesus deal with the demon possessed man in the cemetary, vs. the Pharisees?

Ah yes, the lifetime sinner vs the backslidder.

Not dodging at all, careful with the assumptions

So putting the Acts aside, again, what about the rich man?

I mean it was not direct condemnation

But it was point blank. "My way or the highway"

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by scotty

Ah yes, the lifetime sinner vs the backslidder.

Not dodging at all, careful with the assumptions

So putting the Acts aside, again, what about the rich man?

I mean it was not direct condemnation

But it was point blank. "My way or the highway"

Agreed, it wasn't condemnation, it was just fact......either do this, or don't, your choice.

When I think of condemnation and judgment, I think of Jesus turning over the tables and chasing the money changers out of the temple, or calling the Pharisees out for their hypocrisy, etc.

I never see Jesus speaking to sinners that way, and by that I mean Mary Magdalene, the woman at the well, the man possessed of demons, the blind men who came to him, or called out for help from the wayside, etc.....good, honest people who had a need and had no knowledge of how to have that need met always curried favor from Jesus, not condemnation.........people who took the truth and twisted it for their own purposes always drew His wrath.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Agreed, it wasn't condemnation, it was just fact......either do this, or don't, your choice.

When I think of condemnation and judgment, I think of Jesus turning over the tables and chasing the money changers out of the temple, or calling the Pharisees out for their hypocrisy, etc.

I never see Jesus speaking to sinners that way, and by that I mean Mary Magdalene, the woman at the well, the man possessed of demons, the blind men who came to him, or called out for help from the wayside, etc.....good, honest people who had a need and had no knowledge of how to have that need met always curried favor from Jesus, not condemnation.........people who took the truth and twisted it for their own purposes always drew His wrath.

I agree. But even though it was not said everytime, there is that one catch. . . .


"Go, and sin no more"

Do you not believe that once a miracle was given, had the recipient continued in sin, there would not be condemnation, even from Jesus?

Disclaimer: this is purely discussion as condemning and judging one without truth is not my belief. My motto is bring them to God and He will convict as He pleases in His own time.

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

My pastor preached a tremendous message Sunday night on keeping our Apostolic inheritance. It really stirred me. He preached about how Naboth refused to sell out his vineyard and that many in the OP movement are selling their vineyard.

I would like to contend that if the Apostles were alive today they would continue to be champions of the following tenents!

They would teach the Oneness of God and against the doctrine of trinitarianism.

They would teach the absoulute necessity of the fulfillment of Acts 2:38 Salvation.

They would teach Separation from the world and a holiness lifestyle.

They would teach against television!

They would teach against Apostolic ladies cutting or dying their hair.

They would teach short hair on men.

They would teach against cosmetics.

They would teach that ladies should wear dresses/ skirts and men should wear pants.

They would teach against organized sports.

They would teach against jewelry of any kind.

They would teach that the knees need to be covered at ALL times when in public.

They would probably even teach sleeves AT LEAST to the elbow.

Many other things would they teach, and certainly they would be the center of much ridicule.

Most of all, however, they would teach “Love your brother even when he hates you!”

I really do love being Apostolic!

Is this TIC?

[scotty]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

Is this TIC?

Yes.


To Invoke Condemnation

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

I have conversed with liberal minded Pentecostals enough to make this observation. You have taken on the same mindset as the rest of the world toward religion and truth. Basically, believe what you want, do what you want, just don’t impose it. If you wanna live holy go ahead. Just don’t tell us we have to or undermine our relationship with God if we chose to ignore biblical truth. If you wanna baptize in Jesus Name, that’s fine. Just don’t say it’s the only way to be born again. It’s the same mindset of the world, to tolerate Jesus as long as it isn’t exclusively Jesus. Myrlie Evers gave a perfect demonstration of this mindset in her invocation at the Inauguration. Closing was “In Jesus’ name and the name of all who are holy and right we pray.” Sure its fine to mention Jesus, as long as you leave room for every other supposed deity as well.
I count all who have been baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost as my brother and sister, regardless of how much we disagree. I love you and don’t want to see any of you lost. But I cannot and will not say that these things are secondary. I cannot say they are unnecessary. The majority of those on this forum have taken on the mindset of the world which is tolerance of everything but truth. The same spirit of the world which the Bible calls enmity against God. I know that what I say is offensive, but I assure you my intent is not to offend.

Okay you're serious.

I was very much a part of your world. But too many nagging doubts about the consistency of the doctrine with all of Scripture and the lack of evidence that all of the superfluous requirements held much practical value convinced me to remain open and honest with myself and in the reading of and interpeting Scripture. Once my eyes were opened to the real truth about the grace of God and what that meant Scripturally, not as defined by the OP movement, I was able to see things much more clearly and could make sense of all of the Word, not bits and pieces.

With all due respect I say this: any gospel that promotes salvation in anything other than Jesus Christ and Him crucified is not THE Gospel.