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Old 05-21-2007, 06:34 PM
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The problem I have is that in some areas of the world like Darfur and Zimbabwe the US is no where to be seen. I can't understand (except for the oil factor) why the US would feel they needed to remove Hussein, but have no problem with what Mugabe is doing to the people of Zimbabwe. I have been there and seen first hand the devastation Mugabe's dictatorship is wreaking on that nation. It is worse now than when I was there a few years ago. I was in a meeting with the head of our ACOP churches in that nation on Thursday. It is unbelievable what Mugabe is doing and no one is doing anything to stop him.
the difference is Saddam said he wanted to see the US destroyed, had used WMD in the past and we live in a post 9/11 world.

Mugabe and Saddam were/are both monsters. there has to be a tipping point. the above was the tipping point.
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The point is that sexual immorality has been going on for many years in the White House. Clinton simply got caught and then lied about it. He certainly wasn't the first president to lie to the American public. How was the preoccupation with Clinton of any benefit to the US? None! The US is a nation in decline and neither GWB or any other president will be able to turn it around. The US will lose its status as the most powerful nation on earth eventually and it may be sooner than most people think.
I don't disagree with anything you say in this post, I was making a TIC post, concerning the huge ado made over Clinton's sexual immortally.

However, I disagree with your view of his presidential acuity.
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Old 05-21-2007, 06:39 PM
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The problem I have is that in some areas of the world like Darfur and Zimbabwe the US is no where to be seen. I can't understand (except for the oil factor) why the US would feel they needed to remove Hussein, but have no problem with what Mugabe is doing to the people of Zimbabwe. I have been there and seen first hand the devastation Mugabe's dictatorship is wreaking on that nation. It is worse now than when I was there a few years ago. I was in a meeting with the head of our ACOP churches in that nation on Thursday. It is unbelievable what Mugabe is doing and no one is doing anything to stop him.
Mugabe does not control a significant portion of the world's oil nor has he posed a threat to the United States or it's Allies as Sadaam did.

Had we not intervened in the first Gulf War the United Nations would have sat by and let Sadaam have gotten away with invading and taking over Kuwait. That would have emboldened him to then have invaded Saudi Arabia. His dream was a Pan Arabaic State spanning most of the Middle East. With Kuwait and Saudi Arabia he would have controlled an unbelievable amount of the worlds oil.

Why doesn't the United Nations get involved in Darfour, etc? If most of the members are too yellow to confront terrorism you would think they at least could muster the gumption to send troops to settle third world idiot peons from killing each other and their people.
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Old 05-21-2007, 06:41 PM
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Good point Chan! I agree.
You mean like entering the European theator in WW2? resquing france and Britten in WW1? saving half of Korea from communsim? standing up against the spread of communism (in another attempt to bail france out) in Vietnam?

Rescuing our own people in Grenada?

removing a guy from power in Panama who was putting drugs on American Streets?

Oh, no those might be justified. no we are talking about

Supporting Saddam against Iran (in league with the USSR and had taken American hostages)

supporting brutal dicatorts in South America (in an effort to keep the USSR out of the mainland of South America)



As far as I am concerned, we didnt do enough. we should have stomped the Chinese in Korea, marched on North Vietnam and invaded Cuba and made it the 51st state.

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I think you are probably right as far as the Dem ticket goes but I do not think Rudy will get the Republlican nomination. He is too far to the left for Republican primary voters despite the fact we all like his leadership skills. Here is why he won't get the nom;

1. Pro abortion
2. Heavily promoted restrictive gun control laws while Mayor of NYC
3. Endorsed and voted for the Democrat Gubenatorial canidate in New York state over the Republican one while he was the Republican Mayor of NYC.
4. Messy personal life. Three marriages and was living with one woman while still married to another.

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these days the morals are so low who really cares anymore ? not too many really. almost everyone has baggage don't you think ? it can't get much worse then Bill clinton.
Ferd, who is Thompson? I don't think too many people know who a thompson is so who is going to vote for an unknown? let's face it, Bush has a 30% rating lowest ever and it aint budging. americans in general want change just like they did in this last election. Last Nov was a frieghtful day i agree but we have to face the music sometime.
maybe it will be a wake up call for the people of God. we are too comfortable anyways
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Mugabe does not control a significant portion of the world's oil nor has he posed a threat to the United States or it's Allies as Sadaam did.

Had we not intervened in the first Gulf War the United Nations would have sat by and let Sadaam have gotten away with invading and taking over Kuwait. That would have emboldened him to then have invaded Saudi Arabia. His dream was a Pan Arabaic State spanning most of the Middle East. With Kuwait and Saudi Arabia he would have controlled an unbelievable amount of the worlds oil.

Why doesn't the United Nations get involved in Darfour, etc? If most of the members are too yellow to confront terrorism you would think they at least could muster the gumption to send troops to settle third world idiot peons from killing each other and their people.
it is much easier to sit back and do wring your hands and complain about America being mean.
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Old 05-21-2007, 06:48 PM
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these days the morals are so low who really cares anymore ? not too many really. almost everyone has baggage don't you think ? it can't get much worse then Bill clinton.
Ferd, who is Thompson? I don't think too many people know who a thompson is so who is going to vote for an unknown? let's face it, Bush has a 30% rating lowest ever and it aint budging. americans in general want change just like they did in this last election. Last Nov was a frieghtful day i agree but we have to face the music sometime.
maybe it will be a wake up call for the people of God. we are too comfortable anyways
Thompson is a star on one of the longest running and most successful TV shows in history. Millions know who he is and think of him as a very serious and capable man. in addition to that he has a real politial resume having served as a senator.
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these days the morals are so low who really cares anymore ? not too many really. almost everyone has baggage don't you think ? it can't get much worse then Bill clinton.
Ferd, who is Thompson? I don't think too many people know who a thompson is so who is going to vote for an unknown? let's face it, Bush has a 30% rating lowest ever and it aint budging. americans in general want change just like they did in this last election. Last Nov was a frieghtful day i agree but we have to face the music sometime.
maybe it will be a wake up call for the people of God. we are too comfortable anyways
Fred Thompson was a lawyer, Asst. DA, movie and TV star,Senator from TN, and recently TV star again.

He is smart, savvy, a great orator, etc. If he gets in the race polls show he will immediately be the #2 or #3 guy in the Republican race.

Today Rush said as things stand today there is an 80% chance Hillary will be elected President in 08.
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it is much easier to sit back and do wring your hands and complain about America being mean.
Many of those wringing their hands wouldn't be here if America had not been an interventionist meanie.
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Old 05-21-2007, 06:55 PM
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Fred Thompson was a lawyer, Asst. DA, movie and TV star,Senator from TN, and recently TV star again.

He is smart, savvy, a great orator, etc. If he gets in the race polls show he will immediately be the #2 or #3 guy in the Republican race.

Today Rush said as things stand today there is an 80% chance Hillary will be elected President in 08.

okay, vaugley do i recall this person now that you and ferd mentioned some of the highlights.

It's going to be God's curse upon America if Hillary gets elected. I seriously believe it will be punishment from up above
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