Where Are The Real Apostolics?

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Those non-oneness churches also teach that there is a God... does that make them automatically wrong and position us to deny that there's a God???

The point is... there are deeper doctrines in the Bible than what so many teach in the Apostolic church. I'm not saying that we should DROP anything but unbiblical standards. However, do you realize how just knowing what it means that Jesus served as propitiation for our sins can inspire and empower some believers? Propitiation is a biblical doctrine. Yet... I've learned that too many of my Apostolic friends don't have a clue as to what it means!

That's not right... we should understand these doctrines. And if you pay close attention... I didn't define them... nor did I place them in the order... that's found in Evangelical churches. I'm refining them as I pray and seek God. Consider it a consideration for an Apostolic Ordo Salutis.

I have not thrown out the baby with the bath water. I believe in Acts 2:38 but I believe in it the shadow of the Gospels and the rest of the New Testament.

What was taught to me as Salvation now I find it to be steps in growth and maturity in the Lord. Jesus, Paul and Peter taught more on faith in Christ and trusting in Christ more then anything else. Overcoming faith!

How many times can a person stand on the pulpit and scream about Speaking in tongues and Baptism in Jesus name. Teach them what to do when the tongue is done.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

The Lord revealed it to him, duh! You'd know that if you were a real Apostolic!

That should be "Reel Apostolic"..... The Bishop "Reels" you in! Come on you Real Apostolic's loosen up the tie!

You’ll Get Dizzy

A certain man was troubled with dizzy spells, redness in his face and bulging eyes. Every day when he went to his office, he experienced these things. Weekends were not so bad, so he concluded his work was causing his physical discomfort.

He went from one doctor to another and none could tell him what the problem was. He consulted psychiatrists, psychologists and psy..chics. What was wrong? Why was he constantly suffering from dizzy spells, redness in his face and bulg..ing eyes?

He tried everything, it seemed. Nothing helped. He finally resigned himself to the fact that whatever was causing all this was fatal. It bothered him so much he began to lose weight. He couldn’t sleep at night. He feared he would never overcome this. He became a nervous wreck and his health began to deteriorate. He had lost hope that he would ever recover.

He decided to prepare for the worst. He made out his will, bought a cemetery plot, instructed the preacher what he wanted at his funeral, and even made arrangements with the local undertaker. He was fully convinced of his soon demise. He even decided to buy a new suit of clothes to be buried in.

When he went into the clothing store he was measured for everything. He picked out shoes, socks, coat, and pants. The sales person asked, “What size shirt will you be need..ing, sir?” “Size 15, please,” he replied. The clerk said, “But, sir, I believe that is a bit small. Let me measure your neck size.” After the measurement, the sales person said, “I’m sorry sir, but you will need a 16 1/2, not a size 15.” But the man insisted, “No, I have worn a size 15 for years.”

The sales person tried several times to convince his customer that he needed a 16 1/2, but the man would have nothing of it. Finally, the exasperated sales person said, “Well, sir, if you insist, we’ll get out a size 15, but I must warn you, you will have dizzy spells, get red in the face, and your eyes will bulge out.”

Some people are so set in their ways, they will never admit the obvious. Some are so unwilling to change they appear to prefer to remain spiritually without comfort. Long ago, a very wise men wrote:

“The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth
unto counsel is wise” (Prov. 12:15).

Been Thinkin

[Praxeas]

Too bad we wont find out who his Bishop is....Reckart?

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by followingJesus

They all have false doctrine. They are trinnity and do not preach the plan of salvation. THEY ARE ALL LOST.

Yes they may not have everything right, but I do not call anyone lost, for God is the one that will make the final decision as to who is really lost and who isn't.

I refuse to call any Christian who does not follow me or my doctrines lost, for that is not my job, as a preacher my job is to preach the gospel of what God has given me.
My job and I recon nobody else has that job is not to determine who is or isn't lost, I think that judgement belongs to God alone.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Too bad we wont find out who his Bishop is....Reckart?

[Farfel]

Originally Posted by followingJesus

Just talked to my bishop and ask him about this forum. He told me to getr away from here, that these people are mostly reprobates and I should leave them alone. So since I always obey my bishop so I guess I am gone.

This explains a lot.

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Funny those are things I heard taught in non Oneness churches. Matter of fact that is the crux of most of the messages I have been taught at those same non Oneness churches.

So I have to ask why are the churches that don't have the truth teach such lessons????? Maybe there is not such a special revelation of Christ after all in Oneness churches???

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

I have not thrown out the baby with the bath water. I believe in Acts 2:38 but I believe in it the shadow of the Gospels and the rest of the New Testament.

What was taught to me as Salvation now I find it to be steps in growth and maturity in the Lord. Jesus, Paul and Peter taught more on faith in Christ and trusting in Christ more then anything else. Overcoming faith!

How many times can a person stand on the pulpit and scream about Speaking in tongues and Baptism in Jesus name. Teach them what to do when the tongue is done.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by followingJesus

Just talked to my bishop and ask him about this forum. He told me to getr away from here, that these people are mostly reprobates and I should leave them alone. So since I always obey my bishop so I guess I am gone.

I don't believe it.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Yes they may not have everything right, but I do not call anyone lost, for God is the one that will make the final decision as to who is really lost and who isn't.

I refuse to call any Christian who does not follow me or my doctrines lost, for that is not my job, as a preacher my job is to preach the gospel of what God has given me.

My job and I recon nobody else has that job, is not to determine who is or isn't lost, I think that judgement belongs to God alone.

Well said! Thankful that our righteous and merciful God will be our final judge!

[Jermyn Davidson]

"Mostly reprobates."

Did St. Paul preach to the Phillipian Jailer an incomplete salvation message?
Did St. Paul preach false doctrine in that one chapter?
Did St. Phillip get swept away by the Holy Ghost before he could finish telling the Ethiopian Eunuch the full salvation message?


"Mostly reprobates" causes me to pause for sure.

However, the three step plus infinity model of salvation as presented by most Oneness Pentecostals is simply incorrect.

With that said, I am convinced that there isn't a church on earth today that does it EXACTLY like the Bible days. No one is EXACTLY right and therefore many churches are all EQUALLY FLAWED and it is possible to spend an eternity with Jesus or without Jesus from any seat in many churches.

[houston]

Originally Posted by followingJesus

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2 Thessalonians 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2 Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

This can't happent until the "antichrist" is on the scene. Nice try.