hi, I am a licensed minister within the UPC And I have been Apostolic all my life. (3rd generation)
Last night my pastor preached about holiness without giving real scripture. This is quite confusing because I am not versed in the matters of holiness and I do not know how to give answers concerning holiness without hemming and hawwing.
Anyway, my pastor goes on to say that if you believe the lie that charismatics believe you will end up in hell. Well, I was wondering , what if believing in the ideas of holiness as the UPCI puts it is a lie? Would that not send one to hell as well?
thoughts?
My thought is that you should RUN!!
Get yourself into a Bible-based church that uses the Bible, not man-made rules, as the standard by which to live your life. We can't even say, according to the Bible, if someone is going to Heaven or hell. That is God's decision alone. To say someone is going to hell for not following man-made rule you can't even back up with clear and rightly-interpreted scripture?
Is it wrong for men to wear shorts to their knees Women in the UPC wear skirts to their knees. How about a beard, is that wrong???????
They've already done away with the beard thing. Don't see a problem with the shorts and dresses. So, no. Most churches I am familiar with already dress this way. Where in the world do you live? LOL! You aren't supposed to answer that, of course. lol You sound like 20 years behind where we are all at.
Get yourself into a Bible-based church that uses the Bible, not man-made rules, as the standard by which to live your life. We can't even say, according to the Bible, if someone is going to Heaven or hell. That is God's decision alone. To say someone is going to hell for not following man-made rule you can't even back up with clear and rightly-interpreted scripture?
Seriously: RUN!!
You know, I really in my heart wished it were that simple. My wife is a staunch conservative (we argue a lot about standards) and I have too many family members...........well, lets just say it isn't as easy as running as I would like for it to be.
You know, I really in my heart wished it were that simple. My wife is a staunch conservative (we argue a lot about standards) and I have too many family members...........well, lets just say it isn't as easy as running as I would like for it to be.
That's funny as my husband is more conservative than I am.
You know, I really in my heart wished it were that simple. My wife is a staunch conservative (we argue a lot about standards) and I have too many family members...........well, lets just say it isn't as easy as running as I would like for it to be.
Just remember - Hell is not in charge of your destiny.
You know, I really in my heart wished it were that simple. My wife is a staunch conservative (we argue a lot about standards) and I have too many family members...........well, lets just say it isn't as easy as running as I would like for it to be.
Don't run. Stay and work for change. It's your fellowship as much as anybody else's.
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Is it wrong for men to wear shorts to their knees Women in the UPC wear skirts to their knees. How about a beard, is that wrong???????
Again....
YOU are the one holding license with the UPCI. Not having settled these issues in your own heart, by understanding your OWN THEOLOGY and by not committing you to grasping the doctrines of YOUR church, are in fact, YOUR ISSUES.
I don’t know what bothers me more. Your not having these things settled in your own heart, or your asking Apostolics Friends Forum for your direction.
Either of these alone would be disturbing. The two together is so shocking as to make me actually wonder at your veracity.
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