To tithe or not to tithe?

[Jacob's Ladder]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It's a misconception that it was agriculture. It was "as the Lord prospered" them and since most people worked at home on their "farm" rather than earning a wage, they tithed what they had

In fact money could be given if it was a burden to bring all that agriculture to Jerusalem by exchanging it for money

Praxeas,

You stated: "In fact money could be given if it was a burden to bring all that agriculture to Jerusalem by exchanging it for money."



I'll respond by stating you forgot to list the following scripture, Duet 14:26, "Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice."

The scripture reads if the agriculture, etc., was a burden to carry during the journey, then an individual was allowed to exchange the tithe for silver, Duet 22:25, and after arriving to their destination, they utilized the silver to purchase whatever items were burdensome to carry during their journey. Furthermore, notice Duet 22:25, it reads, "exchange the tithe for silver."

The scripture clearly identifies silver as "silver" and tithe as "tithe." The writer clearly indicates that "silver" had its own identity from a "tithe." If you oppose my logic, please explain how you could exchange a tithe(agriculture,etc.) for a tithe (silver)? What then is the purpose of traveling with grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks, Duet 22:23, when you could just travel with silver (money)? It's simple, silver (money) wasn't tithable.


Regards,
Jacob's Ladder

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

Praxeas,

You stated: "In fact money could be given if it was a burden to bring all that agriculture to Jerusalem by exchanging it for money."



I'll respond by stating you forgot to list the following scripture, Duet 14:26, "Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice."

The scripture reads if the agriculture, etc., was a burden to carry during the journey, then an individual was allowed to exchange the tithe for silver, Duet 22:25, and after arriving to their destination, they utilized the silver to purchase whatever items were burdensome to carry during their journey. Furthermore, notice Duet 22:25, it reads, "exchange the tithe for silver."

The scripture clearly identifies silver as "silver" and tithe as "tithe." The writer clearly indicates that "silver" had its own identity from a "tithe." If you oppose my logic, please explain how you could exchange a tithe(agriculture,etc.) for a tithe (silver)? What then is the purpose of traveling with grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks, Duet 22:23, when you could just travel with silver (money)? It's simple, silver (money) wasn't tithable.


Regards,
Jacob's Ladder

Amen.

[Rudy]

God made it clear what was to be tithed.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

Praxeas,

You stated: "In fact money could be given if it was a burden to bring all that agriculture to Jerusalem by exchanging it for money."



I'll respond by stating you forgot to list the following scripture, Duet 14:26, "Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice."

The scripture reads if the agriculture, etc., was a burden to carry during the journey, then an individual was allowed to exchange the tithe for silver, Duet 22:25, and after arriving to their destination, they utilized the silver to purchase whatever items were burdensome to carry during their journey. Furthermore, notice Duet 22:25, it reads, "exchange the tithe for silver."

The scripture clearly identifies silver as "silver" and tithe as "tithe." The writer clearly indicates that "silver" had its own identity from a "tithe." If you oppose my logic, please explain how you could exchange a tithe(agriculture,etc.) for a tithe (silver)? What then is the purpose of traveling with grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks, Duet 22:23, when you could just travel with silver (money)? It's simple, silver (money) wasn't tithable.


Regards,
Jacob's Ladder

True but as I said earlier the tithe isn't merely an OT law. We are not under the law so why do we need to go point by point by the law? It's a principle and the tithe predates the law when Abraham tithed the booty he got from war.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Jacob's Ladder

Praxeas,

You stated: "In fact money could be given if it was a burden to bring all that agriculture to Jerusalem by exchanging it for money."



I'll respond by stating you forgot to list the following scripture, Duet 14:26, "Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice."

The scripture reads if the agriculture, etc., was a burden to carry during the journey, then an individual was allowed to exchange the tithe for silver, Duet 22:25, and after arriving to their destination, they utilized the silver to purchase whatever items were burdensome to carry during their journey. Furthermore, notice Duet 22:25, it reads, "exchange the tithe for silver."

The scripture clearly identifies silver as "silver" and tithe as "tithe." The writer clearly indicates that "silver" had its own identity from a "tithe." If you oppose my logic, please explain how you could exchange a tithe(agriculture,etc.) for a tithe (silver)? What then is the purpose of traveling with grain, new wine and olive oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks, Duet 22:23, when you could just travel with silver (money)? It's simple, silver (money) wasn't tithable.


Regards,
Jacob's Ladder

Also it is a fact that the tither could redeem some of his tithe but had to add a 5th to it

Lev 27:30 "Every tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the trees, is the LORD's; it is holy to the LORD.
Lev 27:31 If a man wishes to redeem some of his tithe, he shall add a fifth to it.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

True but as I said earlier the tithe isn't merely an OT law. We are not under the law so why do we need to go point by point by the law? It's a principle and the tithe predates the law when Abraham tithed the booty he got from war.

Pro-tithers are the ones who use mosaic law and then back off when it falls apart running to Ole Abraham.

We must find a command and work off of that.

So Abraham tithed war booty, so what.

The forever tithe principle falls apart under the mosaic law when we see ALL did not tithe.

How could Jacob bargain with God if he was suppose to be tithing?

The forever principle has to many holes in it to be doctrine.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Rudy

God made it clear what was to be tithed.

In the law but we are NOT under the law. The tithe predates the law

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

True but as I said earlier the tithe isn't merely an OT law. We are not under the law so why do we need to go point by point by the law? It's a principle and the tithe predates the law when Abraham tithed the booty he got from war.

Tithe is also a fee or tax. People would promise spoils of war to land owners/kings/nations to pass. So in reality it does not mean Abraham paid tithes as a regular event but because he was paying a fee to the king to go through his land.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Pro-tithers are the ones who use mosaic law and then back off when it falls apart running to Ole Abraham.

We must find a command and work off of that.

So Abraham tithed war booty, so what.

The forever tithe principle falls apart under the mosaic law when we see ALL did not tithe.

How could Jacob bargain with God if he was suppose to tithing?

The forever principle has to many holes in it to be doctrine.

So it shows that tithing predates the law and was not limited to agriculture. The bible teaches a principle based on the OT not in substance but direction....

1Co 9:13 Do you not know that those who are employed in the temple service get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar share in the sacrificial offerings?
1Co 9:14 In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.

It's a principle. Sorry. BTW Im not arguing you HAVE to do it. If you have the faith and means do it gladly.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Pro-tithers are the ones who use mosaic law and then back off when it falls apart running to Ole Abraham.

We must find a command and work off of that.

So Abraham tithed war booty, so what.

The forever tithe principle falls apart under the mosaic law when we see ALL did not tithe.

How could Jacob bargain with God if he was suppose to be tithing?

The forever principle has to many holes in it to be doctrine.

yep...