Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

And Jason I have been posting with some of these folks for 10 years. AND having been contending for the SAME views. AND have combated with many much more eloquent than those on here today. Never have ran sometimes just got tired and relaxed for a season but no one who has posted with me through the years will say I am chicken nor do I tip toe around any subject. As YOU acknowledge the pattern is there so in truth the discussion is over.

I appreciate that you stick around. You must admit that most UCs cannot even tolerate questions, and certainly not opposition.

And yes you contend for your views, but you do so while being quite evasive with the Biblical text. I rarely see you really delve into scripture to explain the context and meaning of scripture. Right now your not dealing with the scripture. Because I acknowledged there was a pattern you say "discussion over" without even wanting to get into exegesis. You know the more we look at the scriptures, the weaker your position is. But you are honest about what you believe, and I appreciate that.

Really even though I strongly disagree with you on some things, I believe you're a brother, I just think you're going to find out that there's going to be alot more people in heaven than you expected. But you know what the great thing about grace and mercy is? All hose "bobbed hair women" and "trinitarians" and "liberals/charismatics" will be forgiving of all your condemning them, because they know you did it in ignorance. I dont doubt your sincere. But I believe you are sincerely wrong about many things you have taken a dogmatic stand on.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I appreciate that you stick around. You must admit that most UCs cannot even tolerate questions, and certainly not opposition.

And yes you contend for your views, but you do so while being quite evasive with the Biblical text. I rarely see you really delve into scripture to explain the context and meaning of scripture. Right now your not dealing with the scripture. Because I acknowledged there was a pattern you say "discussion over" without even wanting to get into exegesis. You know the more we look at the scriptures, the weaker your position is. But you are honest about what you believe, and I appreciate that. Really even though I strongly disagree with you on some things, I believe your a brother, I just think you're going to find out that theres going to be alot more people in heaven that you expected. But you know what the great thing about grace and mercy is? All hose "bobbed hair women" and "trinitarians" and "liberals/charismatics" will be forgiving of all your condemning them, because they know you did it in ignorance. I dont doubt your sincere. But I believe you are sincerely wrong about many things you have taken a dogmatic stand on.

Can anyone find a post where Epley discoursed on the redemptive blood of the Lamb of God?

[Farfel]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I appreciate that you stick around. You must admit that most UCs cannot even tolerate questions, and certainly not opposition.

And yes you contend for your views, but you do so while being quite evasive with the Biblical text. I rarely see you really delve into scripture to explain the context and meaning of scripture. Right now your not dealing with the scripture. Because I acknowledged there was a pattern you say "discussion over" without even wanting to get into exegesis. You know the more we look at the scriptures, the weaker your position is. But you are honest about what you believe, and I appreciate that.

Really even though I strongly disagree with you on some things, I believe you're a brother, I just think you're going to find out that there's going to be alot more people in heaven than you expected. But you know what the great thing about grace and mercy is? All hose "bobbed hair women" and "trinitarians" and "liberals/charismatics" will be forgiving of all your condemning them, because they know you did it in ignorance. I dont doubt your sincere. But I believe you are sincerely wrong about many things you have taken a dogmatic stand on.

I agree with every bit of this. Even though I disagree with Bro. Epley many times, I still think he's an ok feller.

[CC1]

We need a weekly poll attached to this thread asking a "yes" and "no" question "Do you think Jason will actually attend a potential UPC church this Sunday"

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Can anyone find a post where Epley discoursed on the redemptive blood of the Lamb of God?

There have been many posts and thread I have made through the years concerning the redemptive blood of the Lamb. It never changes.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by CC1

YOU are in rebellion for questioning the doctrines presented by everybody on this thread. The bible says rebellions is as the sin of witchcraft so, presto, you are a witch!!!! (I thought it was time for some good old fashioned theology)

Just what I expected. ho hum.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

いない舌で話せなかったのは使徒ユダだった。

他の舌の証拠は、条件として救いを与えている!!!!

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by houston

Let's tie her up and toss her into a river. If she floats, she IS a witch, and we'll shoot her.

If she drowns, she is no a witch, and goes to heaven.

I'll go to be with Jesus then. I don't swim well all tied up.

[webe123]

Let me ask some on this board a question...what makes you so BITTER that you HATE the UPCI that much?

Seriously, you may as well cal this board the "Apostolic liberals only friends forum"!

You guys need to take a look at yourselves and see how you talk about the UPCI and ask yourselves if you would like your organization (or church if it is independant) put down like you people seem to do with the UPCI?

I will not say the UPCI is perfect in any way, shape or form, but good grief.... Get off the HATE! Which is basically what it is, weather or not you want to call it that.

Yes there are people in the UPCI that are very dogmatic about standards and dress...but not all are! Most are moderate from what I have seen. But let me also say that there are baptists, prodestants, methodists that feel exactly the same way about the standards they teach. The UPCI is not the only organization in the WORLD that has dogmatic people. Look at some of the organizations that do not even believe in electricity and live like it is the 1800's all over again. Just a horse and buggy! And if you ride in a car it is a SIN! Makes the UPCI look like a tame puppy compared to them! And dresses for women and no cut hair for women? You had better follow their code if you are in an organization like that!

And just so you know, I have been a baptist, methodist, then got into a UPC church 30 years ago and was UPC. Then was ALJC for a short while with a church I attended. Now the church I go to is going from independant to UPC. So I am not a newbie in this by any stretch of the imagination and am NOT a "defender" of the UPCI. It has it's problems like all organizations do, but I do not see people on this board going out of their way to degrade them! It gets old after a while folks! It is like saying you got robbed by a black man so therefore all balck people must be bad! That is not only a stupid way of thinking, it is very demeaning and insulting to people who are black! (They showed a picture earlier of Archie Bunker, some on here are like him, but against the UPCI in that way) They lump them in all together without giving one thought to saying how many churches are different.

Frankly I do not think the OP needs to explain himself to a bunch of people he has never met, how he has decided to go over to what is apparently to some on this board...the "enemy's camp"!

If he is going to go, I agree he needs to just go! Forget what other people say or think and let the Holy Ghost guide him.

I know there are other organizations like the ALJC that believe in Jesus name baptisim, but the only organization that is trashed constantly on this forum is the UPCI....care to explain why?

[Pilgrum]

Originally Posted by webe123

Let me ask some on this board a question...what makes you so BITTER that you HATE the UPCI that much?

Seriously, you may as well cal this board the "Apostolic liberals only friends forum"!

You guys need to take a look at yourselves and see how you talk about the UPCI and ask yourselves if you would like your organization (or church if it is independant) put down like you people seem to do with the UPCI?

I will not say the UPCI is perfect in any way, shape or form, but good grief.... Get off the HATE! Which is basically what it is, weather or not you want to call it that.


Yes there are people in the UPCI that are very dogmatic about standards and dress...but not all are! Most are moderate from what I have seen. But let me also say that there are baptists, prodestants, methodists that feel exactly the same way about the standards they teach. The UPCI is not the only organization in the WORLD that has dogmatic people. Look at some of the organizations that do not even believe in electricity and live like it is the 1800's all over again. Just a horse and buggy! And if you ride in a car it is a SIN! Makes the UPCI look like a tame puppy compared to them! And dresses for women and no cut hair for women? You had better follow their code if you are in an organization like that!

And just so you know, I have been a baptist, methodist, then got into a UPC church 30 years ago and was UPC. Then was ALJC for a short while with a church I attended. Now the church I go to is going from independant to UPC. So I am not a newbie in this by any stretch of the imagination and am NOT a "defender" of the UPCI. It has it's problems like all organizations do, but I do not see people on this board going out of their way to degrade them! It gets old after a while folks! It is like saying you got robbed by a black man so therefore all balck people must be bad! That is not only a stupid way of thinking, it is very demeaning and insulting to people who are black! (They showed a picture earlier of Archie Bunker, some on here are like him, but against the UPCI in that way) They lump them in all together without giving one thought to saying how many churches are different.

Frankly I do not think the OP needs to explain himself to a bunch of people he has never met, how he has decided to go over to what is apparently to some on this board...the "enemy's camp"!

If he is going to go, I agree he needs to just go! Forget what other people say or think and let the Holy Ghost guide him.

I know there are other organizations like the ALJC that believe in Jesus name baptisim, but the only organization that is trashed constantly on this forum is the UPCI....care to explain why?

Perhaps it is because many here were once part of the UPCI or closely associated with the UPCI. Or perhaps it is because the UPCI is the largest OP organization.

I think it is largely just a matter of association.