Isn't The Gospel Enough? - Page 3

Praxeas · #21 04-01-2013, 05:07 PM

Do you ever pass out tracts? Fliers for a service?

Jason B · #22 04-01-2013, 07:37 PM

Amen. KeptByTheWord.

Prax, you're a good guy, but sometimes you get a little trigger happy and break out the friendly fire. I don't think KBTW was lying, that was a bit of a stretch.

pelathais · #23 04-01-2013, 08:08 PM

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In hell??

LOL. Dude. You're alright.

Praxeas · #24 04-01-2013, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Amen. KeptByTheWord.

Prax, you're a good guy, but sometimes you get a little trigger happy and break out the friendly fire. I don't think KBTW was lying, that was a bit of a stretch.

I do. Nor do I consider how he has treated this topic as "friendly"

Praxeas · #25 04-01-2013, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Amen. KeptByTheWord.

Prax, you're a good guy, but sometimes you get a little trigger happy and break out the friendly fire. I don't think KBTW was lying, that was a bit of a stretch.

Do you have anything to say on the topic and what KBTW is saying?

KeptByTheWord · #26 04-01-2013, 09:33 PM

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How do you know they did not know? Just repeating your assertion is not proof.

BTW did God know?

Well, this is a bunny trail Prax, and I think you realize that. What you or I believe about how much they "knew" about when the Day of Pentecost was going to be and what it was going to be is pure speculation. Makes no difference to the overall theme of this thread anyway.

Those 120 people in the upper room had no control over the events of the Day of Pentecost, Jesus did. They did not summon the crowds, they were there to celebrate the festivities of the Day of Pentecost. All the Bible tells us is they were waiting. I don't think (tongue in cheek here) that they were passing out tracts or fliers. I more likely "suspect" they were hiding out in the Upper Room. Until they received the power from on high, they did not receive the boldness that was so evident immediately after they received the Pentecost experience.

And therein lies my point. When the true Pentecost is experienced for oneself, and then you begin to share and tell everyone you meet... there is no need for the modern day gimmicks that we have... the gospel is able to speak for itself. That is my thought on the matter.

You are entitled to your thoughts as well. God Bless Bro.

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Do you ever pass out tracts? Fliers for a service?

Yes, I have done that in the past, but no more. We have home church now, and my witnessing now is on a very personal level, asking the Lord to allow me to minister to each and every soul I meet.

Praxeas · #27 04-01-2013, 09:49 PM

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Well, this is a bunny trail Prax, and I think you realize that. What you or I believe about how much they "knew" about when the Day of Pentecost was going to be and what it was going to be is pure speculation. Makes no difference to the overall theme of this thread anyway.

I have no idea what you mean by "bunny trail" but it's relevant because you asserted they did not know.

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Those 120 people in the upper room had no control over the events of the Day of Pentecost, Jesus did.

That does not mean they did not know what was going to happen.

In fact they were specifically told something was going to happen in Jerusalem

Luk 24:47 and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
Luk 24:48 You are witnesses of these things.
Luk 24:49 And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high."

Act 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.

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They did not summon the crowds, they were there to celebrate the festivities of the Day of Pentecost.

I did not SAY they summoned the crowd. I said they were in a place that was near enough population that those nearby could hear what was going on..

I said because of the location of where they were at and this event it was easily "noised abroad".

Act 2:5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven.
Act 2:6 And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language.

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All the Bible tells us is they were waiting. I don't think (tongue in cheek here) that they were passing out tracts or fliers.

Nor did I suggest they did. What I said was they were in a LOCATION that was in a public area...an area that was crowed rather than in a secret and quite location where nobody would hear

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I more likely "suspect" they were hiding out in the Upper Room. Until they received the power from on high, they did not receive the boldness that was so evident immediately after they received the Pentecost experience.

The text says

Act 2:5 Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven.
Act 2:6 And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language.

Pretty good location where those that were visiting Jerusalem could both hear and gather in this area I'd say.

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And therein lies my point. When the true Pentecost is experienced for oneself, and then you begin to share and tell everyone you meet... there is no need for the modern day gimmicks that we have... the gospel is able to speak for itself. That is my thought on the matter.

They did not run out and tell everyone they met at that point. the text says a large crowed was gathered upon HEARING this and they heard them speaking in tongues.

It worked! A large crowd was gathered allowing Peter to preach to this large crowd.

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Yes, I have done that in the past, but no more. We have home church now, and my witnessing now is on a very personal level, asking the Lord to allow me to minister to each and every soul I meet.

Witnessing is always on a personal level but Jesus did not minister merely on a personal level but he also preached to large crowds

And how they come to an event to hear the gospel has no bearing on the genuineness of their conversion

KeptByTheWord · #28 04-02-2013, 08:43 AM

Prax, I don't wish to further belabor this discussion that has turned into a debate. I don't think that any special tricks, gimmicks or efforts were put into deciding where in Jerusalem they would be when the HS was poured out. I guess you believe otherwise, and like I already said, that you are completely entitled to your opinion. I don't want to debate, just discuss.

If you believe the early church used (man made advertising tools) to try to get people to hear their message, then by all means, use that as your means to justify your position.

I just don't see that at all, my opinion. My opinion is that the gospel message was what reached the people. Those around saw the changes in people's lives from house to house, village to village, city to city, and those who had hungry hearts turned to Jesus because of the transforming power of the Gospel that changed people around them. The gospel spread like wildfire after the first outpouring of the Spirit. No one had to "pass out fliers or give away toys" to invite people to come and hear the gospel. They came because they saw and heard about lives being transformed in miraculous ways.

That is the gospel that I want to see spread across this country again! What could be wrong with wishing for, and desiring such a thing? Why would I choose to try "mans" ways of getting people to hear the gospel, when the simple life changing power of the HS in people's lives is all it really takes to spread the good news of the gospel?!