The Anointed Jesus?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Jay

The Bible states that the Word was God, and took on flesh. Jesus Christ was this Word. Thus Paul can say, "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

The bible states that the Word was with God. The bible states that the same was in the beginning with God. The bible states that Jesus and Mary shared the same God and Father. The bible also states that Jesus was one with His Father. The bible states that Jesus was the Son of His Father.

The bible states a bunch of stuff about Jesus and His, and Mary's, Father and God.

Ain't nothing like a Godhead discussion for the 3,251st time!!

[ctclady11]

Maybe that's how the Lord revealed it to you so you could better understand His life while He walked on earth. (and relate it to us as His followers) Nobody can know what is in anybody's hearts but the Lord. So while He was on earth He also knew what was in people's hearts and knew who were His children and who wasn't.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by seekerman

The bible states that the Word was with God. The bible states that the same was in the beginning with God. The bible states that Jesus and Mary shared the same God and Father. The bible also states that Jesus was one with His Father. The bible states that Jesus was the Son of His Father.

The bible states a bunch of stuff about Jesus and His, and Mary's, Father and God.

Ain't nothing like a Godhead discussion for the 3,251st time!!

I John 1 also tells us that the "Word" was "the ETERNAL LIFE which was with the Father" and that this eternal life took shape before us.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I John 1 also tells us that the "Word" was "the ETERNAL LIFE which was with the Father" and that this eternal life took shape before us.

Yep, someone was with someone else. Amen brother!!

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by larrylyates

Ok, here goes another: There is a teaching, very popular in certain circles that posits the understanding that while on Earth, Jesus did not function in any capacity as God, but simply as a man anointed by the Holy Ghost. The corollary is that we are now able to function in the same way. I am interested in your thoughts on this issue, being an Apostolic.

I think this is a very dangerous teaching, similar to what you find in the Mormon church, and New Age type doctrines among others. It lifts up flesh to a level that is equal with God. It posits that man can become a god, even as Jesus did.

I have come into contact with various forms of this doctrine, and at its core it is Satanic. For Lucifer himself was the one who was cast out of heaven because he thought he could make himself equal with God. And ever since that time, he has been convincing humans to make that same error. He convinces those who will listen that you can be just as Jesus was, a little god, so to speak. It is a basic New Age doctrine that has been packaged many, many times into different doctrines through history.

According to the writers of the NT, believers are to reject any attempt of any doctrine to lift up and elevate a man to place equal with God/Jesus. Jesus was humanity and divine all wrapped up into one physical body that was transformed after Calvary into a spiritual body. His spirit was poured out on the Day of Pentecost, but he still remains in a spiritual body.

I have recently heard a doctrine that says that Jesus dispersed into his body on the Day of Pentecost, and that now each one of the believers (who believe this) that they in essence have become the body of Jesus Christ. And this group sings songs like "I see Christ in you, You see Christ in me, Praise the Lord", which basically is glorifying the Christ in each of the brethren and believing that Christ does not have a spiritual body anymore, but inhabits believers, who are the true body. This basically turns into worship of each other, because of the "Christ" that has dispersed into that body of the believer. Scary stuff!

The end result of this doctrine is that its followers believe they are above sin and that soon Christ is going to transform them, just as He was transformed after Calvary, and that they are going to be "Joel's Army" marching through the land doing great feats and exploits in the name of Jesus. Their basic belief is that since Christ no longer has a body, and has come to indwell believers, that we can rise up to do greater things than have ever seen before, greater works than any other time in history, and only those who believe this will be a part of this "Joel's Army"...

It is a very dangerous doctrine, because it places greater emphasis on human works, and efforts and lifts humanity up to a divine level.

Jesus said I am the Alpha and Omega, the First and the Last. There is none like me. All power in heaven and earth is given unto me.

Any doctrine that seeks to elevate flesh to a divine nature is Satanic and not of God. Jesus will not share His glory with another. No human, and no angelic being.... God will not share His glory, not even with any part of his creation, humans and angelic beings alike.

I John 4:1-2 "Beloved believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God, and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already it is in the world."

Again, any teaching that elevates flesh to the level of a divine nature, and/or denies the humanity/deity of Christ is the spirit of the ANTICHRIST and from which we are to flee.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by larrylyates

Ok, here goes another: There is a teaching, very popular in certain circles that posits the understanding that while on Earth, Jesus did not function in any capacity as God, but simply as a man anointed by the Holy Ghost. The corollary is that we are now able to function in the same way. I am interested in your thoughts on this issue, being an Apostolic.

This teaching stresses the importance of reliance upon the Holy Spirit in all that we do. That is, just like Jesus relied on the Holy Spirit (John 5:19) for what to say and do, we should stive to live thatt way. So, where are the red flags?.

We are supposed to grow in Christ till we get to the measure of the stature of the fulness of the Son of God, right?

Eph 4
13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ

[DaveC519]

Originally Posted by larrylyates

Ok, here goes another: There is a teaching, very popular in certain circles that posits the understanding that while on Earth, Jesus did not function in any capacity as God, but simply as a man anointed by the Holy Ghost.

Hello larrylyates,

I believe that, after the Incarnation, there existed a functional dichotomy in God. External to the context of his humanity, the one God continued to "function" as unlimited deity just as he always had. Internal to the context of his humanity, he functioned as a genuine human complete with all of its limitations, but that he was anointed of the Holy Ghost (Acts 10:38).

The corollary is that we are now able to function in the same way. I am interested in your thoughts on this issue, being an Apostolic.

We are not able to function in the EXACT same way as Jesus, for the Spirit was poured out upon him without measure. But with the baptism of the Holy Ghost, we have power through his name Jesus.

[sbo1971]

Originally Posted by DaveC519

Hello larrylyates,

I believe that, after the Incarnation, there existed a functional dichotomy in God. External to the context of his humanity, the one God continued to "function" as unlimited deity just as he always had. Internal to the context of his humanity, he functioned as a genuine human complete with all of its limitations, but that he was anointed of the Holy Ghost (Acts 10:38).

We are not able to function in the EXACT same way as Jesus, for the Spirit was poured out upon him without measure. But with the baptism of the Holy Ghost, we have power through his name Jesus.

Where do you get that from, especially since the Holy Ghost had not yet been given?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by larrylyates

Ok, here goes another: There is a teaching, very popular in certain circles that posits the understanding that while on Earth, Jesus did not function in any capacity as God, but simply as a man anointed by the Holy Ghost. The corollary is that we are now able to function in the same way. I am interested in your thoughts on this issue, being an Apostolic.

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I think this is a very dangerous teaching, similar to what you find in the Mormon church, and New Age type doctrines among others. It lifts up flesh to a level that is equal with God. It posits that man can become a god, even as Jesus did.

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That is actually the opposite of what he said.

He said there are people that believed he did NOT function as God but simply as a man anointed by the Spirit.

The corollary is that we too can operate as men anointed by the Spirit to do the same works.

Joh 14:12 "Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father.

[larrylyates]

Originally Posted by DaveC519

Hello larrylyates,

I believe that, after the Incarnation, there existed a functional dichotomy in God. External to the context of his humanity, the one God continued to "function" as unlimited deity just as he always had. Internal to the context of his humanity, he functioned as a genuine human complete with all of its limitations, but that he was anointed of the Holy Ghost (Acts 10:38).

We are not able to function in the EXACT same way as Jesus, for the Spirit was poured out upon him without measure. But with the baptism of the Holy Ghost, we have power through his name Jesus.

You are apparently referring to John 3:34 which says in the KJV:"For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him."

The words "unto Him," are in italics in the KJV, indicating that they were added by the translator. This was most likely done because they could not accept the force of the actual Greek text, which literally says: "because He does not give the Spirit by measure."

The words "unto him" do not appear in any of the manuscripts we have available to us.

I leave you to draw your own conclusions from that. However, I do agree with you that with the Baptism of the Holy Ghost we have power through the Name of Jesus.