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04-28-2013, 07:06 PM
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Re: You give some people a 2nd chance and. . . .
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There are many things that trouble me about this whole affair. if we take away their rights as parents to believe the way they do are we not also taking our rights away. What happens when the government tells you you must have an abortion or you go to jail? it can happen here.
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Yes it CAN happen here and probably will at some point but that is actually the opposite situation of what were discussing here.
Let me ask you this, what would or should happen if a 10 year old boy is deathly sick or had a bad accident and decides to call 911 on his own, but belongs to a "faith healing ONLY" couple? Are the police or ambulance obligated to cow to the parents wishes and leave? Or do they take the boy <drum roll and evil music> AGAINST the parents wishes to the nearest hospital for that insulin shot or to have the bones set and a cast put on?
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04-28-2013, 08:59 PM
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Re: You give some people a 2nd chance and. . . .
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This dude has one awesome manicure, complete with French tips!
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04-28-2013, 09:09 PM
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Re: You give some people a 2nd chance and. . . .
Parents have certain inalienable rights that do not include failing to provide medical care any more than they may fail to provide food and protection from harm. If they do there are agencies that can and will be granted temporary custody of the child and see to it that necessary treatment is done. However authorities must first be aware that there is a problem. If parents fail feed or protect their child and the child dies as a result there are penalties and so should there be here. Religion is no excuse to kill ones child either actively or passively. If it were, Andrea Yates should have been within her rights as a mother to drown her five children. Children are not chattel, they are tiny humans with rights.
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04-28-2013, 10:02 PM
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Re: You give some people a 2nd chance and. . . .
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Parents have certain inalienable rights that do not include failing to provide medical care any more than they may fail to provide food and protection from harm. If they do there are agencies that can and will be granted temporary custody of the child and see to it that necessary treatment is done. However authorities must first be aware that there is a problem. If parents fail feed or protect their child and the child dies as a result there are penalties and so should there be here. Religion is no excuse to kill ones child either actively or passively. If it were, Andrea Yates should have been within her rights as a mother to drown her five children. Children are not chattel, they are tiny humans with rights.
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This post is spot on! I agree 100%    
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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04-28-2013, 10:03 PM
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Re: You give some people a 2nd chance and. . . .
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Parents have certain inalienable rights that do not include failing to provide medical care any more than they may fail to provide food and protection from harm. If they do there are agencies that can and will be granted temporary custody of the child and see to it that necessary treatment is done. However authorities must first be aware that there is a problem. If parents fail feed or protect their child and the child dies as a result there are penalties and so should there be here. Religion is no excuse to kill ones child either actively or passively. If it were, Andrea Yates should have been within her rights as a mother to drown her five children. Children are not chattel, they are tiny humans with rights.
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04-29-2013, 08:25 AM
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Re: You give some people a 2nd chance and. . . .
I guess after some thought, I think that if a child's life is in danger, the parents rights end where the child's life begins. However, I do not feel this makes the parents CRIMINALS nor do I feel the other children should be removed from the home. Nor do I believe that unless the child's life is in danger that the government has the right to force medical care that has nothing to do with sustaining life....for example, forced Ritalin for the good of the child's education etc.
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04-29-2013, 08:29 AM
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Still Figuring It Out.
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Re: You give some people a 2nd chance and. . . .
Oh how far down the slippery slope we have fallen.
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04-29-2013, 08:30 AM
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Tired of it.
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Parents have certain inalienable rights that do not include failing to provide medical care any more than they may fail to provide food and protection from harm. If they do there are agencies that can and will be granted temporary custody of the child and see to it that necessary treatment is done. However authorities must first be aware that there is a problem. If parents fail feed or protect their child and the child dies as a result there are penalties and so should there be here. Religion is no excuse to kill ones child either actively or passively. If it were, Andrea Yates should have been within her rights as a mother to drown her five children. Children are not chattel, they are tiny humans with rights.
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Nailed it.
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04-29-2013, 08:33 AM
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Re: You give some people a 2nd chance and. . . .
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Oh how far down the slippery slope we have fallen.
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What do you mean?
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