Are you an Apostolic? - Page 11

bbyrd009 · #**101** 05-13-2013, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

...Did you ever think that you are, largely, speaking to people who have spoken in tongues? And did those who have spoken in tongues realize how ridiculous you sound saying that is not the evidence? LOL!

Hmm, I have spoken in tongues, and he didn't sound ridiculous to me! Also, I note that, in a recent poll here, the majority of those who consider themselves Apostolic, as I do, discounted 5b, as we also discount your addendum to Acts 2:38...so, do those who have spoken in tongues realize how ridiculous you sound attempting to use them as cover? Who knows; we would have to ask them.

So no, "those who have spoken in tongues" have not realized how ridiculous he sounded--are you even aware of the Freudian slip? I agree that it is the evidence, PO, btw; how many experiences of xenoglossy have you been witness to in your Christian life? What other signs and miracles--which also always accompanied Apostolic experiences of baptism in the Holy Spirit--can you say that you were witness to? Post them, that I might agree with you, and say "amen."

Or, you might recognize that most of the true Apostolics don't really mind if you believe in some requirement that one hold their mouth right, in order for HS baptism; just don't make it a requirement for the rest of us, and by default (or design?), mislead a new Christian.

You guys are heinous.

bbyrd009 · #**102** 05-13-2013, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

The only thing that really upsets me is the preaching of standards, while also saying it is NOT a "heaven or hell" issue - YET - not using anyone who doesn't follow OR treating them like a red-headed step-child. Now that right there is a huge problem if there ever was one. And, frankly, that makes me angry.

Amen. See that that is the whole point--the fruit, if you will--of this doctrine.

Titus2woman · #**103** 05-13-2013, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Hmm, I have spoken in tongues, and he didn't sound ridiculous to me! Also, I note that, in a recent poll here, the majority of those who consider themselves Apostolic, as I do, discounted 5b, as we also discount your addendum to Acts 2:38...so, do those who have spoken in tongues realize how ridiculous you sound attempting to use them as cover? Who knows; we would have to ask them.

So no, "those who have spoken in tongues" have not realized how ridiculous he sounded--are you even aware of the Freudian slip? I agree that it is the evidence, PO, btw; how many experiences of xenoglossy have you been witness to in your Christian life? What other signs and miracles--which also always accompanied Apostolic experiences of baptism in the Holy Spirit--can you say that you were witness to? Post them, that I might agree with you, and say "amen."

Or, you might recognize that most of the true Apostolics don't really mind if you believe in some requirement that one hold their mouth right, in order for HS baptism; just don't make it a requirement for the rest of us, and by default (or design?), mislead a new Christian.

LIKE!

larrylyates · #**104** 05-13-2013, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheFritz

Where's that?

Sorry, I noticed that no one had responded to you, so I thought I would try and answer your question.

The concept of water baptism for the remission of sins come primarily from the following verses:

Luke 24:46-47
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
(many scholars see this as a reference to water baptism)

Acts 2:38
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22:16
16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Hope that helps some.

Jay · #**105** 05-13-2013, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by seekerman

But the question remains, are one's sins remitted by the confession of the baptizee or are one's sins remitted by the confession of the baptizor....or both?

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Originally Posted by houston

Jay?????

Sorry, I have been rather busy, and have not had the time to get back in a timely manner, and that I regret deeply. I still do not have the time to post an answer in fullness at this time, but hope to have my reply ready before 0100.

Jay · #**106** 05-13-2013, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay

Sorry, I have been rather busy, and have not had the time to get back in a timely manner, and that I regret deeply. I still do not have the time to post an answer in fullness at this time, but hope to have my reply ready before 0100.

Did that sound like a message that you would get off of a voicemail, or is that just me?

bbyrd009 · #**107** 05-14-2013, 12:28 PM

off the voicemail of someone in the military!

ApostolicKitty · #**108** 05-14-2013, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by larrylyates

Apostolic is defined on AFF as:

1. There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
2. The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
3. Every sinner must repent of their sins.
4. That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
5. That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
6. The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.

Do you believe in the above statements? Yes or No?

Yes, but I don't limit Him to only revealing himself as a Father, Son or Holy Ghost, though I do agree He has been distinct in revealing Himself as these.
Yes. Jesus is God manifest in the flesh.
Yes. Repentance is necessary.
Yes. Jesus name is the only Biblical way to be baptized.
Yes. The Holy Ghost experience is still around today and is evidenced by speaking in tongues.
Yes. Holy living is what the Lord requires.

So, am I?

larrylyates · #**109** 05-14-2013, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ApostolicKitty

Yes, but I don't limit Him to only revealing himself as a Father, Son or Holy Ghost, though I do agree He has been distinct in revealing Himself as these.
Yes. Jesus is God manifest in the flesh.
Yes. Repentance is necessary.
Yes. Jesus name is the only Biblical way to be baptized.
Yes. The Holy Ghost experience is still around today and is evidenced by speaking in tongues.
Yes. Holy living is what the Lord requires.

So, am I?

you betcha. Glad to meet you!

bbyrd009 · #**110** 05-15-2013, 02:08 PM

I have begun a search for an "Apostolic," in response to a challenge by Larry; here is what I have discovered so far:

~You must have left (ie, abandoned) your home and your family, at the unction of the Holy Spirit, to be considered Apostolic.
~Understand that you will never be an Apostle of Christ, and that "Apostolic" is generally a subjective definition; it is an attempt to follow Christ using the set of actions related in the NT to the Apostles. Examples might include Joan of Arc, Luther, MLK, and other martyrs. If you are truly an Apostolic, expect to die an unpleasant, or at least untimely death, at the hands of those you have inflamed with the truth.
~Apostolics do not attend 'church.' An Apostolic might lead a service, but has no need to go to a building and listen to someone feed babies milk. Expect a service led by an Apostolic to make you uncomfortable, and quite possibly upset; although services given for accolades are not unheard of.
~More coming...