George Zimmerman Case

[Julian]

Originally Posted by Esaias

So God never gave him previous chances to repent?

One thing is for sure, he will not have another one.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Julian

One thing is for sure, he will not have another one.

Is the fact he will have no more chances to repent an unrighteous or unjust thing?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Can we at least agree that it was wrong for zimmerman to stalk the other guy?

Wrong legally or morally?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Zimmerman was actively pursuing treyvon.

"actively pursuing"?

Here I thought he was just following him

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

"actively pursuing"?

Here I thought he was just following him

Apparently there is no precise way to describe zimmermans pursuit of treyvon without iliciting some unintended connotation

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Julian

One thing is for sure, he will not have another one.

What does he have to repent for? You don't think he was doing anything wrong.

[J4Truth]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Apparently there is no precise way to describe zimmermans pursuit of treyvon without iliciting some unintended connotation

Well Praxeus said follow. That's pretty neutral. Pursuit or pursuing indicates a means of intending confrontation or capture. Stalking nearly always have negative connotations. Following could be classed as stalking and pursuing as well as keeping a distance but keeping in view.

And again we don't know if Z was "actively pursuing" or, (after not knowing where TM went and the dispatch advising not to follow him,) was indeed heading back to his truck.

For me, who confronted who and how a fight or assault ensued is the most important aspect to the case. And considering that is the part everyone seems to be in the dark about, I can't really lean towards guilt or not guilty. And because our law states innocent until proven guilty without reasonable doubt...

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by J4Truth

Well Praxeus said follow. That's pretty neutral. Pursuit or pursuing indicates a means of intending confrontation or capture. Stalking nearly always have negative connotations. Following could be classed as stalking and pursuing as well as keeping a distance but keeping in view.

And again we don't know if Z was "actively pursuing" or, (after not knowing where TM went and the dispatch advising not to follow him,) was indeed heading back to his truck.

For me, who confronted who and how a fight or assault ensued is the most important aspect to the case. And considering that is the part everyone seems to be in the dark about, I can't really lean towards guilt or not guilty. And because our law states innocent until proven guilty without reasonable doubt...

If you looked earlier in the thread you would have seen the problems with follow and why I was looking for a more precisely descriptive word than follow.

I can follow a red car down the road and not actually be attempting to see where it goes. I can follow it simply by virtue of it being in front of me and me going in a similar direction. Zimmerman was not following Trayvon in this sense.

He was following him in the active sense and not the passive sense that I was talking about above. It's this active following or active pursuit that Zimmerman was doing.

We know the reason Zimmerman was actively following Trayvon too. He told the 911 operator why. He said these ******** always get away. That's the reason he was following trayvon so he didn't get away. I'm not saying Zimmerman killed him in cold blood so that he didn't get away. But I am saying that Zimmerman was in such a state of mind that he was going to do everything possible to make sure trayvon was there when the police arrived. Again he didn't intend to kill him to make this happen but he would have confronted him and tried to restrain him so that he wouldnt get away and that's the instagating act.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Wrong legally or morally?

Legally and morally because the typical response to being followed by a strange man is going to be fear.

[J4Truth]

Originally Posted by jfrog

If you looked earlier in the thread you would have seen the problems with follow and why I was looking for a more precisely descriptive word than follow.

I can follow a red car down the road and not actually be attempting to see where it goes. I can follow it simply by virtue of it being in front of me and me going in a similar direction. Zimmerman was not following Trayvon in this sense.

I get what your saying, and though some may try use follow in the sense that Zimmerman was just going in the same direction as Trayvon, I think most know it was more, at the very least, to keep tabs or keep Trayvon in view. And even at the very worst it could have been an active pursuit as in to ultimately confront.