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Old 06-02-2013, 11:06 PM
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Re: Be Ye Perfect

This is lesson 110 (Pages 460 and 461) of the Pentecostal Bible Study Course

Lesson 110 Perfection Part 2

The following illustration will help us to understand more clearly the subject of perfection.
The chief of police has called for a special meeting of certain policemen. They are to gather
at a certain hour without fail. But one of them finds himself downtown dressed in his civilian
clothes in the midst of rushing traffic. The meeting place is some distance away, and he is delayed
by the traffic. Even if he should reach the place, he could not enter without a police uniform, so
in his desperation he hails another policeman who is in uniform, just retiring from his duties of
the day. He tells him of his predicament, and the uniformed man says, “Grab hold of me and hang
on.” He lays hold of him and together they go. The shrill whistle of the policeman and the whitegloved
hand thrust up cause brakes to squeal and everything to come to a standstill. Together they
make it safely through the congested traffic. In a short time they reach the place of the meeting,
and the generous policeman steps into the side room with his man and quickly they exchange
clothing. Thus the man who was so helpless walks into the meeting on time and in the proper
clothing. He has fulfilled all the demands that were laid on him.

Can we give a clearer picture of a poor sinner than that illustrated by this man, who was wonderfully
delivered from his perplexing condition and who found himself fully qualified to hold his place in the meeting? Immortal perfection is the goal, but a sinner is helpless in his sins. Like the
stranded policeman, he looks for deliverance, and someone preaches Jesus to him. If he believes
and obeys the gospel, he will take hold of Jesus and make Him his all. His race will be through
thick traffic all right, but if he holds to his deliverer, the white-gloved hand of authority will be
held up against his enemies, and they will have to halt and step backward. And he goes on in victory,
approaching the time when the Son of God will come in power, the dead will rise, and the
living saints will be changed. Then Christ himself, the One to whom he has been holding, will give
him the robe of immortal perfection, and he will stand perfect in the holy convocation, meeting
all the demands of a holy God.

Philippians 3:12 says, “I do not say I have already won the race or have already reached perfection.
But I am pressing on, striving to lay hold on the prize for which also Christ has laid hold
of me” (Weymouth). He who said, “Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you” (James 4:8)
will lay hold on us if we lay hold on Him. Jesus is our perfection, and He imparts His nature to
us. We ourselves must take a second place and let our new nature rule, so that we can walk in
newness of life.

Our goal is to live a victorious life over sin, but we cannot claim to attain sinless perfection in
this life. Those who think they have attained eradication of the old man and sinless perfection
must consider the following verses of Scripture and apply them to their lives. Romans 14:23
declares, “Whatsoever is not of faith is sin.” Is every act of our lives in line with our faith, or have
some actions gone against our own convictions of what is right? James 4:17 says, “Therefore to
him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.” Have we always done everything
that we know a Christian ought to do?

The perfection of the believer is not in himself; it is in Christ. The person who believes in sinless
perfection seeks perfection where it cannot be found. Failing to find it in himself, he lowers
the standard to the level of his imperfection. To admit the necessity of a perfect standard would
call for a confession of sin. Yet God demands absolute perfection, and since we cannot find it in
ourselves, we must accept what God has provided. Through the death of Jesus, the believer has
a perfection that needs no mending and that cannot be improved. It satisfies the conscience, pro-
vides a perfect standing before God, and fills us with an undisturbed and heavenly peace. “For by
one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified” (Hebrews 10:14).

The believer has a new, perfect, and sinless nature. It is not the old nature purified and transformed,
but it is an entirely new nature sent down from heaven. The old nature remains, but a new
one is added. This new nature is as incapable of defilement as a sunbeam is. This new nature, also
called the “new man,” cannot sin. To be able to sin would be a transgression of the very law of
God’s nature, for the new nature is none other than God’s Spirit coming into the believer. It is
Christ within us.

The Scripture tells us to be blameless, and this no doubt is as near perfection as we will find
ourselves, for in perfection there cannot be even one fault. One can be blameless and still not be
faultless. The following story illustrates this point.

A mother, before she has finished and hung out her week’s washing, is called out on an important
errand. She leaves a note for her little daughter, so she will know her mother’s whereabouts
when she comes home from school. The child arrives home and sees neither the washing finished
nor on the line, and she decides to give her overworked mother a lift. So the child, by working
fast, has all the clothes on the line to dry when the mother returns. The mother is shocked to see
those streaked, unrinsed clothes out on the line, and she immediately begins to gather them in.
They have only been through the suds and have not been rinsed. The good mother does not speak
harshly to the child for her act but rather blesses her little heart for the work of love she has done.
The child was blameless, but she was not faultless. If the clothes had been rinsed and ready for
the line, and the streaks had been made by the child’s carelessness, then she would have been to
blame as well as at fault.

To be blameless is all that God requires of a believer. That is to know nothing against ourselves
(I Corinthians 4:4), to have a conscience void of offense (Acts 24:16), and to keep ourselves from
all known sin. We cannot say that we have not sinned in the past, nor that we have no sin to be
cleansed of at present (I John 1:7). Let us remember that there is only one sinless, perfect man—
Christ Jesus.
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Old 06-02-2013, 11:40 PM
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This note is from the Scofield Reference Bible page 1568
It is located at Philippians 3:12

Achieving Perfection

The word “perfect” as the Bible uses it of men, does not refer to sinless perfection. Old Testament characters described as “perfect” were obviously not sinless (compare Genesis 6:9; 1 Kings 15:14; 2 Kings 20:3; 1 Chronicles 12:38; Job 1:1, 8; Psalm 37:37). Although a number of Hebrew and Greek words are translated “perfect,” the thought is usually either completeness in all details (Hebrew tamam, Greek katatizo), or to reach a goal or achieve a purpose (Greek teleioo).

Three stages of perfection are revealed:
(1)Positional perfection, already possessed by every believer in Christ (Hebrews 10:14)

(2) Relative perfection, that is, spiritual maturity (Philippians 3:15), especially in such aspects as the will of God (Colossians 4:12), love (1 John 4:17-18), holiness (2 Corinthians 7:1); patience (James 1:4), “every good work” (Hebrews 13:21). Maturity is achieved progressively, as in 2 Corinthians 7:1 “perfecting holiness,” and Galatians 3:3 “are ye now being made perfect?” and is accomplished through the gifts of the ministry bestowed “for the perfecting of the saints” (Ephesians 4:12) and

(3) Ultimate perfection, that is, perfection in soul, spirit, and body, which Paul denies the has attained (Philippians 3:12) but which will be realized at the time of the resurrection of the dead (Philippians 3:11). For the Christian nothing short of the moral perfection of God is always the absolute standard of conduct, but Scripture recognizes that Christians do not attain sinless perfection in this life (compare 1 Peter 1:15-16; 1 John 1:8-10)
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Old 06-03-2013, 06:27 AM
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Perfection is not sinless perfection, even though some claim that such a state is possible. It is
unscriptural and not at all workable. They have done their best to attain sinless perfection, but no
other teaching has caused as much doubt and uncertainty as this doctrine. If entire sanctification
and the eradication of the old man were God’s plan and could be attained in this life, we would
use all our strength and energy to lead people into such a wonderful experience.
The UPC fails the test of faithfulness to the apostles doctrine in this area as in other important ones.

Where they say its not possible to cease from sin they call the real apostles liars. Note what Paul who said he was not behind the chiefest apostles taught about that very thing.

33 Be not deceived : evil communications corrupt good manners. 34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame. 1 Cor. 15:33

So the UPC ought to be ashamed for teaching such heresy. Paul says they have NOT the knowledge of God.

If entire sanctification causes doubt and uncertainty it is because the person doubting knows they have sin in their life and as such they are failing God!

When it came to entire sanctification the apostle to the Gentiles could not make himself more clear.

23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thess. 5:23

Paul defines being blameless right here. It is to be sanctified spirit, soul, and body! In other words being ENTIRELY SANCTIFIED.

The UPC stands right with the Evangelical, Protestant movement in the matter of holiness and perfection and opposed to the apostolic truth.

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The perfection of the believer is not in himself; it is in Christ. The person who believes in sinless
perfection seeks perfection where it cannot be found. Failing to find it in himself, he lowers
the standard to the level of his imperfection.
And I have never heard ONE teacher who teaches we can cease from sin say they were seeking this of themselves apart from Christ. On the contrary every version of it I have heard taught says that the Holy Spirit in the Christian is what makes it possible.

And what These UPC teachers accuse us of doing THEY DO PRECISLY THAT!

They are the ones who have made the standards of Christ out so low as to think men shaving and wearing long sleeves without a watch is in the doctrine of Christ! That for a woman to trim her hair is a sin against the purity of Christ!

When teaching perfection the goal is to bring people to be like Jesus! Note carefully what he says:

40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master. Luke 6:40

There you have it. The true standard for the normal Christian. One standard for all. TO BE AS JESUS!

And how do we know that we are AS JESUS?

John the beloved apostle tells us in no uncertain terms.

6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk , even as he walked . 1 John 2:6

Are you "in him"? If so you should be walking EVEN AS HE WALKED!

Oh friends can you see how far DOWN the UPC and of course most others have brought the standard of Christ?

The word of God teaches we are to be as Jesus. Men as in UPC teach its impossible! If it were not such serious error it would be down right funny!

And people think the UPC is a holiness org.
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I believe that if you are who God designed you to be, you're perfect.
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Luke 1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.


2Pe_3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.


Php 3:6 as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness under the law, blameless.

Php 2:15 that you may be blameless and innocent, children of God without blemish in the midst of a crooked and twisted generation, among whom you shine as lights in the world,

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second

1Th 3:13 so that he may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all his saints.


because the Mosaic covenant was not faultless or blameless same word. Does not mean individuals could not be considered blameless when it came to duty to the covenant.
It was imperfect in medium not righteousness. It was imperfect in the sense of lambs viewed temporary measure but STILL had the same reality BY faith in doing as God commanded as we do today in following Christ. BOTH follow the same principles of righteousness. Duty to God and duty to man. Without this faith through Christ you cannot please him and never have been able to.

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

God wants the righteousness of the law fulfilled in us. How by His Spirit and him leading us. THAT is not works of the FLESH or self work to stand just before GOD but HIS work in us to perform and stand BLAMELESS. In walking by faith we are cleansed. That does not NEGATE the teachings of the law though. It may not as a COVENANT have force directly concerning somethings. It however teaches righteousness of God. If it stood CONDEMNDING you teaching what is to covet and what is sin. It still is SIN! The righteousness of God and the Royal law is never done away. Other things such as Natural law aspects still do as they are aspects of love of man to God and his fellow man that are eternal social laws and also enviromental. That includes roles of man and women according to his purpose. Man and women toward each other in marriage and children. Love is purpose driven which is individually and in the sense of mankind as a whole in his divine structure.

Can one be perfect? Perfect is God's consideration of your standing before him. In Christ you can IF you follow 1 John 1:7. Which is Halakhah. We are covered by his blood IF we walk. You could be under the old covenant in your standing by faith. That does not mean the covenant itself justified you by it' offering but that your duty to his commands where met. In that you stood faithful. Just a Abraham was to his. Gen 15:6 Gen 22:9-18 and

Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

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This is a note from The Spirit Filled Life Bible, page 1413, associated with Matthew 5:48

The emphasis in the command to be perfect is not on a flawless moral nature, but on an all-inclusive love that seeks the good of all. Instead of following the example of sinners who love only those who love them, we are to be like the Father in also loving those who do not love us.
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This is a note from The Spirit Filled Life Bible, page 1413, associated with Matthew 5:48

The emphasis in the command to be perfect is not on a flawless moral nature, but on an all-inclusive love that seeks the good of all. Instead of following the example of sinners who love only those who love them, we are to be like the Father in also loving those who do not love us.
There is so much in the Bible that says the same thing in other ways. Yeshua means for his people to overcome sin. He does not think that is some hard thing like unlearned men do.

John a very chief apostle said this:

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1 John 5:3

This is how we show YHWH that we love him. By keeping his word. John never taught the disciples Christs commands were to grievous for us to keep!

The Christ feels it is normal for his servants to keep his commands.

9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. 10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say , We are unprofitable servants : we have done that which was our duty to do . Luke 17:9

See? Yeshua does not give his disciples special praise for doing his commandments. He sees it as our normal duty.
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This is a note from The Spirit Filled Life Bible, page 1413, associated with Matthew 5:48

The emphasis in the command to be perfect is not on a flawless moral nature, but on an all-inclusive love that seeks the good of all. Instead of following the example of sinners who love only those who love them, we are to be like the Father in also loving those who do not love us.


And this is the universal moral law of all spiritual paths.
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There is so much in the Bible that says the same thing in other ways. Yeshua means for his people to overcome sin. He does not think that is some hard thing like unlearned men do.

John a very chief apostle said this:

3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1 John 5:3

This is how we show YHWH that we love him. By keeping his word. John never taught the disciples Christs commands were to grievous for us to keep!

The Christ feels it is normal for his servants to keep his commands.

9 Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. 10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say , We are unprofitable servants : we have done that which was our duty to do . Luke 17:9

See? Yeshua does not give his disciples special praise for doing his commandments. He sees it as our normal duty.
Michael, can you define "sin"? Is not "sin" anything alien to God's own essence and nature, which is love?
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