Living "unmarried" SO Baptism then Marriage or.... - Page 7

Aquila · #61 07-22-2013, 08:37 AM

When dealing with Christians we also read that we are NOT to handle legal disputes in the courts of the unbelievers (I Corinthians 6:8). The fact that civil marriage would require a Christian couple to go to court to dissolve their union should they be faced with divorce is a reason that many Christians choose not to have a civil marriage.

In addition, Paul describes how a Christian should deal with abandonment by an unbelieving spouse...

15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace..

NewbieMisfits · #62 07-22-2013, 08:52 AM

Aquila,

Very GOOD write-ups!

Do keep in mind that I'm NOT living with a married women, the man is dead. It is the fact that we cannot obtain a foreign death cert as to why this situation is complicated.

Ironically, this initial news of the mans death came years ago from a Menno where we were attending who told me this, not her. Problem came when this man wanted me to part with Miss Misfit so they could marry her in, as their scriptural definition was she could marry again, but I could not.
As me & this Menno had a falling out over this 4years ago, I can not obtain from him by what routes he was able to confirm this. We tried & tried, but although found other evidence suggesting this, we never was able to locate this man's location of death...

Aquila · #63 07-22-2013, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by NewbieMisfits

Aquila,

Very GOOD write-ups!

Do keep in mind that I'm NOT living with a married women, the man is dead. It is the fact that we cannot obtain a foreign death cert as to why this situation is complicated.

Ironically, this initial news of the mans death came years ago from a Menno where we were attending who told me this, not her. Problem came when this man wanted me to part with Miss Misfit so they could marry her in, as their scriptural definition was she could marry again, but I could not.
As me & this Menno had a falling out over this 4years ago, I can not obtain from him by what routes he was able to confirm this. We tried & tried, but although found other evidence suggesting this, we never was able to locate this man's location of death...

Just another example of how government involvement in marriage can cause trouble.

Support Common Law/Privatized Marriage.

LifeUncommon · #64 07-22-2013, 05:53 PM

We don't live in ancient times. We live today.

I'm not sure why Christians all of the sudden don't want to get married and just want to live together and think that's ok, even somehow superior to actually getting married.

Makes no sense to me.

NewbieMisfits · #65 07-22-2013, 06:50 PM

Am I to understand that Paul was not baptized? Or am I not seeing this in scripture?

SO....
What would be the negative aspects of waiting to get baptized until we fix this? Someone must have some to list yes?

Bishop Cleatus · #66 07-23-2013, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by LifeUncommon

We don't live in ancient times. We live today.

I'm not sure why Christians all of the sudden don't want to get married and just want to live together and think that's ok, even somehow superior to actually getting married.

Makes no sense to me.

Did you actually read the thread?

LifeUncommon · #67 07-23-2013, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bishop Cleatus

Did you actually read the thread?

Every post in it, yep.

Aquila · #68 07-23-2013, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by LifeUncommon

We don't live in ancient times. We live today.

I'm not sure why Christians all of the sudden don't want to get married and just want to live together and think that's ok, even somehow superior to actually getting married.

Makes no sense to me.

The fundamental problem isn't that Christians don't want to get married. It's that Christians are increasingly not wanting the GOVERNMENT meddling in and redefining marriage. If we hadn't handed the GOVERNMENT the institution of marriage it would still be a private contract stipulated by the parties involved... just as it had always been until the GOVERNMENT began to REQUIRE marriage licenses. Government took over marriage... and we wonder why it's in such bad shape. We need to take it back to the private sphere where it is in the hands of couples... not the almighty STATE.

A statist will never see the point I'm trying to make. Take a step back and try to understand what we're saying. It's not a stand against marriage... it's a stand against GOVERNMENT meddling in and redefining marriage.

Aquila · #69 07-23-2013, 07:02 AM

Funny... people actually believe that marriage is dependent upon government sanction. Frankly... it's become another government program.

LifeUncommon · #70 07-23-2013, 07:11 AM

You know, I actually agree that government should not be involved in marriage. I have long said that the church should give marriages, the govt should give civil unions, and people could get both, either or neither.

But we don't live in a world where that is true today. I hope we do someday. But until then, we marry in the way that is customary here.

However, I know MANY Christians today who don't believe marriage is necessary. They believe once you have sex with someone, you are married in God's eyes, so just do the deed and live together and that's the same as marriage. Most I know personally who are of that opinion actually think that just having sex and living together is superior to traditional marriage because God doesn't like government or something like that.

There is a way that seems right to man... But I think if that's what He meant, it would be clear in the scriptures that we should just shack up. There are so many Biblical references to marriage that I really don't think it is meaningless to God.