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08-13-2013, 04:28 PM
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Re: UPC Upper Body Synchronized Dancing
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Originally Posted by Barb
We like musical signing or dislike like it, not from a biblical application, but from our personal viewpoint. This applies to everything in life I guess, and with that there is nothing inherently wrong...
UNTIL we make it a doctrine that the rest of Christendom must abide by.
From my perspective, I have seen it used with deaf members in the group and with hearing groups signing with the deaf in the congregation.
It has been a blessing to the hearing as well as the hearing impaired, and I can't explain it.
Yes, I have felt the witness of the presence of the Lord in the midst and can't explain that either.
Music is a strange thing...truly a universal language.
For example, I have friends who are singing in Sweden and Norway for 2 weeks...
Courtney wrote that is was so beautiful to hear the people in the concert singing How Great Thou Art in their own language...the English translation of the song is from a Swedish hymn.
Music touches lives in many ways...King Saul could testify to that, and so can I. Even in the secular realm, I can be in a store or doctor's office and hear a song from back in the day that will stir up an emotion or remembrance, good and bad.
So I guess I'm saying that if it is a blessing to some, let us give thanks. And if it does nothing for you, give thanks for those who are being blessed.
I heard someone say recently that we should take God very seriously, and take ourselves a whole less seriously.
When we cross over to the other side, I wonder how much of what we stress over is really that important?
Just my thoughts...
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Great post!
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-13-2013, 04:46 PM
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Re: UPC Upper Body Synchronized Dancing
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Its not that they are swaying and moving their arms that make me dislike it. I love Charismatic worship. That's not it.
I don't like it because they seem like they are performing UNTO MEN.
Were they worshipping unto Christ alone I would probably feel different.
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So you don't approve of choirs?
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08-13-2013, 05:09 PM
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Re: UPC Upper Body Synchronized Dancing
The church that these young people of from will be holding a Royal Tailor concert this Friday. I was shocked to find out that Royal Tailor was UPC. I went to their website and find it hard to believe they are. Can a man wear any tighter pants? When did it become okay to wear jewelry like these young men do?
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08-13-2013, 06:02 PM
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Re: UPC Upper Body Synchronized Dancing
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So you don't approve of choirs?
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I personally don't like choirs. I think the whole congregation should be taught to worship. If everyone gets to worship it would be ok.
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08-13-2013, 07:19 PM
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Re: UPC Upper Body Synchronized Dancing
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Originally Posted by JamDat
The church that these young people of from will be holding a Royal Tailor concert this Friday. I was shocked to find out that Royal Tailor was UPC. I went to their website and find it hard to believe they are. Can a man wear any tighter pants? When did it become okay to wear jewelry like these young men do?
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Did you check out their "Make A Move" video i posted in this thread? A great catchy song with very meaningful lyrics AND great dance moves. Make sure you have your smelling salts nearby because I am sure you will have "palpitations" and possibly faint watching it.
Oh, it has always been ok to wear jewelry with God, just not the UPC! 
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-13-2013, 07:31 PM
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Re: UPC Upper Body Synchronized Dancing
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
Its not that they are swaying and moving their arms that make me dislike it. I love Charismatic worship. That's not it.
I don't like it because they seem like they are performing UNTO MEN.
Were they worshipping unto Christ alone I would probably feel different.
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Actually, unto men, women and children...of COURSE they are performing it unto men. The bible instructs us to EDIFY one another
Eph 5:19 speaking to one another in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, singing and making music in your hearts to the Lord,
Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and exhorting one another with all wisdom, singing psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, all with grace in your hearts to God
1Co 14:26 Then what is it, brothers? When you come together, each one of you has a psalm, he has a teaching, he has a language, he has a revelation, he has an interpretation. Let all things be for building up.
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08-14-2013, 07:20 AM
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Re: UPC Upper Body Synchronized Dancing
Yet another example of the UPC going <------------------------> that-a-way.
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08-14-2013, 09:22 AM
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Re: UPC Upper Body Synchronized Dancing
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple
I personally don't like choirs. I think the whole congregation should be taught to worship. If everyone gets to worship it would be ok.
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So you don't worship with choirs and soloists?
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08-17-2013, 02:15 PM
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Re: UPC Upper Body Synchronized Dancing
I have no strong opinion either way.
Personally these types groups lose me if they "work the crowd", or if females become assertive and masculine, males become feminine etc. ... and they don't always do that but I have seen it - same applies to ministers.
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08-17-2013, 02:15 PM
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Re: UPC Upper Body Synchronized Dancing
My wife and girls enjoyed NAYC - said nearly 20,000 attended.
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"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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