Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by CC1

Michael, if you think what I described is an effective way of witnessing I feel sorry for you and believe you are perhaps confusing old testament judges and prophets with the New Testament ministry.

While Jesus and the Apostles were bold in their preaching they did not engage in this type behavior.

Just because a man has a beer in his hand does mean he is a drunk as this "christian" stated. The "christian" also had no way of knowing that mans status with God and called him "a sinner".

Really?

Nonetheless I agree with the point you are trying to make there. I have a bottle of wine in the Frig here.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Really?

Nonetheless I agree with the point you are trying to make there. I have a bottle of wine in the Frig here.

LOL!! Thanks for pointing out I left out the word "not". I have gone back and edited my post.

[CC1]

I stand by what I said that if any of you think what I described is a good way to witness you are warped.

Of course you witness with truth but you don't do it by assuming facts not known and not in an offensive manner.

Now if a man was clearly drunk I would have no problem identifying him as such and talking to him honestly and directly about it. But to assume that a man walking to a ball game drinking a beer is a drunk and telling him that he is one is absurd and not christian in any way shape or form.

Likewise assuming a man is a sinner without knowing him is not right. Michaels come back that he would have identified himself as a christian is also absurd. I listened to this moron and just shook my head in dismay. I certainly didn't feel a need to enlighten him that I am a christian. He was so judgmental my proclamation would have probably meant nothing to him anyway.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by CC1

I stand by what I said that if any of you think what I described is a good way to witness you are warped.

Of course you witness with truth but you don't do it by assuming facts not known and not in an offensive manner.

Now if a man was clearly drunk I would have no problem identifying him as such and talking to him honestly and directly about it. But to assume that a man walking to a ball game drinking a beer is a drunk and telling him that he is one is absurd and not christian in any way shape or form.

Likewise assuming a man is a sinner without knowing him is not right. Michaels come back that he would have identified himself as a christian is also absurd. I listened to this moron and just shook my head in dismay. I certainly didn't feel a need to enlighten him that I am a christian. He was so judgmental my proclamation would have probably meant nothing to him anyway.

I doubt the maroons who were trying to "witness" thought that ANYONE was saved that walked by if they didn't recognize them as members of their own particular church. Come to think of it, I seem to remember having that same attitude during my stint in the you-know-what during the 80's. . . . Of course we WERE the only UPC church within a rather large area and with only 100-150 members at any time it was easy to identify the saved versus not-saved.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Would you have been offended if the person with the bull horn just stuck with scriptures and proclaiming the Gospel?

I understand why you were irritated, but I am unsure that I would have been as irked as you appear to have been.


If the same guy was standing outside a seedy hotel and pointed to a couple and said, "Yes, I used to be a fornicator sin, but Jesus changed my life," would you be upset with the guy for accusing them of fornication?

I know I would expect for the couple to respond that they are married, if it is the case, wouldn't you?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Would you have been offended if the person with the bull horn just stuck with scriptures and proclaiming the Gospel?

I understand why you were irritated, but I am unsure that I would have been as irked as you appear to have been.


If the same guy was standing outside a seedy hotel and pointed to a couple and said, "Yes, I used to be a fornicator sin, but Jesus changed my life," would you be upset with the guy for accusing them of fornication?

I know I would expect for the couple to respond that they are married, if it is the case, wouldn't you?

You have that right but I seriously doubt that would have been the case. I believe you are just being adversarial and that is also your right.

Yes I would have been just as upset if he had pointed at a couple and accused them of fornication because they were at a seedy hotel. He would have no actual knowledge of their situation. They could be married low lifes who were in sin in some way but not fornication. You are being absurd in your defense of the indefensible.

You honestly propose the notion that it is a good witnessing technique to accuse people of various sins and assume you are right unless they take the time to correct you?

Most people I know would do what I did and ignore this moron. He did not deserve any response from people. Amazing how you put the onus on people denying his accusations. I sincerely hope you are not serious.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by CC1

Michael, if you think what I described is an effective way of witnessing I feel sorry for you and believe you are perhaps confusing old testament judges and prophets with the New Testament ministry.

While Jesus and the Apostles were bold in their preaching they did not engage in this type behavior.

Just because a man has a beer in his hand does not mean he is a drunk as this "christian" stated. The "christian" also had no way of knowing that mans status with God and called him "a sinner".

I would say the beer in the hand was a pretty good indication of the mans status with God.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Luke

I would say the beer in the hand was a pretty good indication of the mans status with God.

Do you believe the fact that he had a beer meant he was "a drunk"? If so then your response along with a couple of others on this threads makes me think old time Pentecost is even worse off than I previously thought.

A person can drink alcohol and not be a "drunk". It was not this "christian's" place to make that judgement. I can tell you that the man was clearly not inebriated. he was a 60ish man who was not loud, obnoxious, or anything else. He was just walking and talking quietly with two friends (he was directly ahead of us) when this so called chrisitian started his schtick.

You guys act like this "christian" encountered an obviously drunk man and I am upset at that. That is not the case at all.

If you agree with this method of witnessing your kind are doomed to remain a relatively tiny religious sect who does as much harm to the gospel message as satan does.

[Abiding Now]

Titans lost, huh?

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Titans lost, huh?

It's only preseason so it doesn't matter.