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08-27-2013, 02:43 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
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That is talking about medicine so i agree take medicine for when your sick.
1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities. |
Wine = Medicine???
Funny that you take wine in Proverbs 23 to mean wine, but in 1 Tim 5:23, wine means medicine...
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08-27-2013, 03:13 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
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Wine = Medicine???
Funny that you take wine in Proverbs 23 to mean wine, but in 1 Tim 5:23, wine means medicine... |
By takeing the verse to mean what it literally says that is the obivous conclusion that one would come to. Look at the reason that paul gives for the advice that he is offering:
1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
if we take this to mean what it says it is paul telling Timothy to use ( not indulge) a little wine because of stomach problems and for his often infirmities (sickness ) this does not approve of social drinking but for taking medicine.
Also if i remember my greek correctly the word used here is oynos which can be either new or fermented wine. (I might be wrong on that.)
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08-27-2013, 03:39 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
Oh goody. It has been a long time since I have seen old time Pentecostals try to spin that tale that the wine that was ok to drink was just grape juice and not real wine. I feel that one coming on any minute now!
If a person takes an honest look at the scriptures pertaining to wine as a whole and in context it is clear the condemnation is for drunkenness, not drinking wine.
Having said that I personally can't stand wine. Hate the taste.
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08-27-2013, 03:40 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
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Oh goody. It has been a long time since I have seen old time Pentecostals try to spin that tale that the wine that was ok to drink was just grape juice and not real wine. I feel that one coming on any minute now!
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Ya, that argument is nearly as classic is the explanation that the reason Roman soldiers were able to pluck out whiskers from Jesus is that he hadn't been able to shave for a few days.
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08-27-2013, 03:42 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
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Oh goody. It has been a long time since I have seen old time Pentecostals try to spin that tale that the wine that was ok to drink was just grape juice and not real wine. I feel that one coming on any minute now!
If a person takes an honest look at the scriptures pertaining to wine as a whole and in context it is clear the condemnation is for drunkenness, not drinking wine.
Having said that I personally can't stand wine. Hate the taste.
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Thus God allowed man to invent whiskey, vodka, bourbon, and tequila!
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08-27-2013, 03:44 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
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Ya, that argument is nearly as classic is the explanation that the reason Roman soldiers were able to pluck out whiskers from Jesus is that he hadn't been able to shave for a few days.
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In all fairness if he had an electric razor the utility companies were notoriously unreliable in those days and electrical outages were widespread. 
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-27-2013, 04:05 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
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Thus God allowed man to invent whiskey, vodka, bourbon, and tequila!
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Yes He also allowed man to make meth, herione, cocaine, porn, houses of prostitution...... the list could go on and on but i am sure we would all agree that just because God allows man to make something that does not mean He is ok with it.
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08-27-2013, 04:13 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
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Oh goody. It has been a long time since I have seen old time Pentecostals try to spin that tale that the wine that was ok to drink was just grape juice and not real wine. I feel that one coming on any minute now!
If a person takes an honest look at the scriptures pertaining to wine as a whole and in context it is clear the condemnation is for drunkenness, not drinking wine.
Having said that I personally can't stand wine. Hate the taste.
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I guess that if you buy it and or make it with your eyes closed then either pour it into a container with your eyes closed or turn the bottle ( whatever the wine is in) up to your mouth with your eyes closed then you could drink it and not disobey the following scripture.
Hopefully you dont sit it on a counter beside anything that might be poison.
Pro.23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
If you somehow manage to do all of the afore mentioned things with your eyes closed you had better be by yourself or atleast dont offer it to anyone or then you are violating the following scripture.
Habakkuk 2:15
Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness!
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08-27-2013, 04:59 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
Sure.......Christians shouldn't drink...right...just like they should not go to the buffet line for the third time.
Seriously, there are many things preachers love to preach on, and some others not so much,.. Oh well.
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08-27-2013, 05:15 PM
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Re: Wisdom In Witnessing (or the lack thereof)
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Habakkuk 2:15
Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness!
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The issue is that you look at the verse as it appear above. You pretty much stop reading once you come to the end of the bolded.
However, it is meant to be looked at THIS way (below).
Habakkuk 2:15
Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness!
It is called 'context' and divining the intended meaning of the verse.
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