I'm leaving my church. Please pray.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Originalist

We actually had not yet "moved" to Mexico. It was well understood we'd only be there for the Summer and would be returning. Our actual "move" is to come later as we seek which avenue now to take since the UPC no longer sends missionaries there. He well understood this. There was absolutely no misunderstanding on this issue. There is absolutely nothing that I'm withholding here. I have wracked my brain trying to think of what could have caused offense. If there is, should he not care enough to confront me privately? From his message Wednesday night, he clearly holds to the belief that financial struggles stem from a lack of giving, period. He left no room for any consideration that faithful tithe payers also experience financial troubles.

I just had a thought. Maybe it's HIS financial struggles he is referring to and that's due to YOUR lack of giving

Give him more. Give him MORE!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Yes. Mexico is a tough place for MLM's though because it a very "backstabbing" culture. I hate to say it, but it is true. Trying to steal someone's downline is common in the MLM's down there. Though it did happen to me here, backstabbing in general permeates Mexican culture. On the one hand, they act all unified on things like immigration. But within their own community they cut each others throats without blinking.

Say What?!?!?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Shout out to my Mexican Apostolic brethren!

At least you know I love you.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Yes. Mexico is a tough place for MLM's though because it a very "backstabbing" culture. I hate to say it, but it is true. Trying to steal someone's downline is common in the MLM's down there. Though it did happen to me here, backstabbing in general permeates Mexican culture. On the one hand, they act all unified on things like immigration. But within their own community they cut each others throats without blinking.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Hey Originalist what do you think about Sicilian culture?

[Margies3]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I just had a thought. Maybe it's HIS financial struggles he is referring to and that's due to YOUR lack of giving

Give him more. Give him MORE!

Gosh, Prax, that's what I read into this right from the beginning. Not from Originalist. From what I read from what his pastor was preaching. I have heard it said and found it to be true - a whole lot of time whatever the pastor is preaching, he is preaching MOSTLY to himself.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Margies3

Gosh, Prax, that's what I read into this right from the beginning. Not from Originalist. From what I read from what his pastor was preaching. I have heard it said and found it to be true - a whole lot of time whatever the pastor is preaching, he is preaching MOSTLY to himself.

That's exactly what I've been thinking. Classic case of projection.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I did not mean to be so blunt. and our culture has its quirks as well.

But I'll share what one Mexican pastor told me here in Florida. He used to be with Asemblia Apostolica, but is now with the UPC. He said, "One thing i am thankful for is that the Spanish ministry in the Florida District is organized by Americans. I love my own people, but there is just a touch of class and order that Americans bring to things that we are not capable of. Besides, left to ourselves, we are at each other throats. We are animals."

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by ILG

That's exactly what I've been thinking. Classic case of projection.

Could be true,guys. I'll find out soon enough.

[Rudy]

All of this over money---where are these guys at today?

2 Corinthians 11:23-33

King James Version (KJV)

23 Are they ministers of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I am more; in labours more abundant, in stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in deaths oft.
24 Of the Jews five times received I forty stripes save one.
25 Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was I stoned, thrice I suffered shipwreck, a night and a day I have been in the deep;
26 In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in perils of robbers, in perils by mine own countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils in the city, in perils in the wilderness, in perils in the sea, in perils among false brethren;
27 In weariness and painfulness, in watchings often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold and nakedness.
28 Beside those things that are without, that which cometh upon me daily, the care of all the churches.
29 Who is weak, and I am not weak? who is offended, and I burn not?
30 If I must needs glory, I will glory of the things which concern mine infirmities.
31 The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not.
32 In Damascus the governor under Aretas the king kept the city of the damascenes with a garrison, desirous to apprehend me:
33 And through a window in a basket was I let down by the wall, and escaped his hands.