Mental Illness Revisited... - Page 13

Evang.Benincasa · #**121** 09-13-2013, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MarieA27

You mean, stop asking God to deliver you, let Him heal you if He wants, don't heal you if He doesn't want to? That...sounds like giving up to me, losing your patience and not truly believing He'll deliver you, like you did in the beginning. And when you lose your patience, you'll end up losing your confidence and then your faith... The bible says that God is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him. Also that He'll avenge His own elect who cry unto Him day and night. You might not pray as earnestly in the latter time of your sickness, as you did in the beginning, but you still keep praying till something is revealed to you one way or the other...

Thank God Almighty!

Jermyn Davidson · #**122** 09-13-2013, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MarieA27

You mean, stop asking God to deliver you, let Him heal you if He wants, don't heal you if He doesn't want to? That...sounds like giving up to me, losing your patience and not truly believing He'll deliver you, like you did in the beginning. And when you lose your patience, you'll end up losing your confidence and then your faith... The bible says that God is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him. Also that He'll avenge His own elect who cry unto Him day and night. You might not pray as earnestly in the latter time of your sickness, as you did in the beginning, but you still keep praying till something is revealed to you one way or the other...

Is there anything that you have ever prayed for that God didn't say yes, didn't say no, didn't say anything at all, but to date, the thing you have prayed for remains un-delivered, un-healed, simply not done?

Anyone can answer this, but want Marie to answer this for sure-- in light of her post.

Praxeas · #**123** 09-14-2013, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I am really having a difficult time rationalizing how a person who is filled with the Holy Ghost AND living a life of holiness can be diagnosed with Major Depression, have suicidal thoughts, sadness that seems to re-occur repeatedly... how can I be witnessing this in a person who I KNOW is saved?

Really-- how is it possible?
Is this person maybe not even saved?

How do you reach someone seemingly trapped in this cycle?

chemical

Amanah · #**124** 09-14-2013, 06:10 AM

I know a woman who God uses often to minister in the gifts of the Spirit, and yet she suffers from anxiety attacks and takes meds for anxiety. When I was younger I was judgemental towards the weaknesses of others. I have since learned to be compassionate and to realize that we are becoming and have not yet arrived.

MarieA27 · #**125** 09-14-2013, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Is there anything that you have ever prayed for that God didn't say yes, didn't say no, didn't say anything at all, but to date, the thing you have prayed for remains un-delivered, un-healed, simply not done?

Anyone can answer this, but want Marie to answer this for sure-- in light of her post.

I was about to say yes, about the various things that I'm praying for and have prayed for that haven't yet been answered, until I remembered some things... The answer to this would be yes and no. For the times that my prayers weren't answered one way or the other, were always the times that I've been praying for something and have slacked off in asking and let whatever come, what may, so I know where the failure lied, the failure is on me, and my lack of diligently going after Him, not God. I won't sit there and make excuses for myself, so I can feel justified in not going after Him, saying that maybe He just didn't want me to have it, or it wasn't meant to be...

There are other times, when I have been praying for things for awhile, and they have yet to be fulfilled completely, but along the way, there will be encouragement given, God would give me a scripture, work through someone, give me small victories along the way and many other things, enough to know that He's with me, and that He'll bless me, if I'll stay faithful. And by me being diligent, faithful, and taking the bible at its word, believing in God's promises, blessings have came to past, so I know from experience...

And I have enough experience from this, to know that if I continue, God would bring me out every time. It's like the scriptures said in Romans 5:1-5, that tribulation brings forth patience, patience, experience, and experience, hope.

MarieA27 · #**126** 09-14-2013, 09:03 AM

When it comes to this issue, there always seems to be two extremes on both sides, where one is jumping on and berating the other, and putting them down for not having enough faith, or not having as much faith as they think they should have, not having compassion, not considering that everyone is different, and at different walks with God, and the other is just telling you to stop asking God, and just let God deliver you if He wants to, whenever He wants to, (if he wants too) and in the mean time, I'll get deliverance from somewhere else, while jumping on the other who wants to have faith, and acting as if they're stupid or dumb for wanting to believe in God, instead of taking the easy deliverance route that they just took...

Evang.Benincasa · #**127** 09-14-2013, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MarieA27

When it comes to this issue, there always seems to be two extremes on both sides, where one is jumping on and berating the other, and putting them down for not having enough faith, or not having as much faith as they think they should have, not having compassion, not considering that everyone is different, and at different walks with God, and the other is just telling you to stop asking God, and just let God deliver you if He wants to, whenever He wants to, (if he wants too) and in the mean time, I'll get deliverance from somewhere else, while jumping on the other who wants to have faith, and acting as if they're stupid or dumb for wanting to believe in God, instead of taking the easy deliverance route that they just took...

Evang.Benincasa · #**128** 09-14-2013, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Amanah

I know a woman who God uses often to minister in the gifts of the Spirit, and yet she suffers from anxiety attacks and takes meds for anxiety. When I was younger I was judgemental towards the weaknesses of others. I have since learned to be compassionate and to realize that we are becoming and have not yet arrived.

Now, before I say anything I want you to know I'm not coming against your friend, or making a comparison with what I'm going to say and your friend.

What I find interesting is that in ancient cultures shamans, gurus, sadhus, and in voodoo, drugs were used to predict the future, present, and tell people of their past. Oracle of Delphi sat on top of a natural gas spring of ethylene gas, some scholars believe this is what induced her into a trance. Marie Sabina also know as the Saint Mother of the Sacred Mushrooms. She was visited by the CIA because they wanted to learn more about how she extracted her knowledge. Adulos Huxley had written a book which he titled "Doors of Perception" this book would have its name borrowed for a rock band called the "Doors." What is interesting is that men like Huxley, Leary, and Richard Alpert (now known as Ram Dass) first looked at the religious aspects of Lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD). Huxley was on to something when he presented the idea of opening doors of perception. Opening up doors to allow spirits to enter in, whether you like it or not.

Amanah · #**129** 09-14-2013, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Now, before I say anything I want you to know I'm not coming against your friend, or making a comparison with what I'm going to say and your friend.

What I find interesting is that in ancient cultures shamans, gurus, sadhus, and in voodoo, drugs were used to predict the future, present, and tell people of their past. Oracle of Delphi sat on top of a natural gas spring of ethylene gas, some scholars believe this is what induced her into a trance. Marie Sabina also know as the Saint Mother of the Sacred Mushrooms. She was visited by the CIA because they wanted to learn more about how she extracted her knowledge. Adulos Huxley had written a book which he titled "Doors of Perception" this book would have its name borrowed for a rock band called the "Doors." What is interesting is that men like Huxley, Leary, and Richard Alpert (now known as Ram Dass) first looked at the religious aspects of Lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD). Huxley was on to something when he presented the idea of opening doors of perception. Opening up doors to allow spirits to enter in, whether you like it or not.

I believe this is true with hallucinogens, not sure it applies to all meds

Evang.Benincasa · #**130** 09-14-2013, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Amanah

I believe this is true with hallucinogens, not sure it applies to all meds

Digoxin is used to treat certain heart rhythm problems (atrial fibrillation). Also used to treat heart failure. Yet, Digoxin can cause delirium and other psychotropic side effects (eg, depression, visual hallucinations) even at therapeutic levels in older persons. This is just one medication which isn't a psychotropic medication, but has psychotropic side effects. If you research all the side effects of these powerful medications, and add them all up if the patient is talking three to nine different ones, you could just imagine what these people are having to live through who are under the bondage to take these meds.