Women Preachers

[Sister Alvear]

one last thought for now: Only the Talmud designates the speech of women as “shameful…
....think about that....In the Bible women spoke...and they spoke the word of God....before Kings and Priests, fought battles, prophecied, gave directions to men and women alike...received the Holy Ghost...Incredibly, the Jewish religious authorities taught that a man should not salute a woman, not even his own wife, in a public place... In the Talmud, we read the statement of Rabbi Eliezer.. that “It is better that the words of the Law should be burned, than that they should be given to a woman.”.. The same rabbi, writing in the Mishnah, adds the following directive: “If a man gives his daughter a knowledge of the Law, it is as though he taught her lechery.”.. And Rabbi Judah’s famous prayer contained
the following words: “Blessed be You for
not having made me a Gentile, a
woman, or an ignoramus (Tosephta
Berakoth, 7, 18).
and for a little more....”The Talmud clearly affirms the silence of females: “A woman’s voice is prohibited because it is sexually provocative” (Talmud, Berachot 24a).“Women are sexually seductive, mentally inferior, socially embarrassing, and spiritually separated from the law of Moses; therefore, let them be silent” (summary of Talmudic
sayings).

The Talmud Called the Voice of a Woman “Shameful.” “It is a shame for a woman to let her voice be heard among men” (Talmud, Tractate Kiddushin).“The voice of a woman is filthy nakedness” (Talmud, Berachot Kiddushin).

The English translation of the Greek word,..aiskron, as “shameful” or “improper” hardly convey the strength of what the word encompasses. The affirmation in verse 35,, is that a woman’s speaking is “lewd, vile, filthy, indecent, foul, dirty and morally degraded.”
You know who else said the woman was low dirty and vile? Willam Branham...in his teachings on divorce and remarriage....I have seen a few people come out of his group but not many have got his teachings out of them...Actually serpent seed was taught long before WB...A doctrine from the pits of hell...

[renee819]

Thank you Sis Alvear, for that information.

And Jesus refuted what was written in the Tulmud, which is what the people were going by, when He came. I believe the Tulmud was written in Babylon, wasn't it? In other words---man's doctrine, and still using the Bible.

And for you that want to get technical, He didn't use the word, Tulmud, But He said over and over, "It is written, but I say unto you."

[renee819]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Paul exclaims "What?" Paul is almost beside himself when he reads back this statement from the letter written to him. Paul is not the one making the statement. Paul is quoting from the letter. The fact Paul exclaims, "What? came the word of God out from you?" shows that the statement came from the Corinthian church, and they were claiming to exclude the women from speaking based on the Law, which they claimed was the word of God. (copied)

I was going to ask about that scripture. That is my understanding also, otherwise, it makes no sense.

[renee819]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Sorry, I have not cited the sources but if interested they are easy to look up...I am pressed for time and really nothing I say changes the opinion of those that have already decided what they believe. However just a few nuggets for the others. Of course the Bible and the Bible alone is what we will all be judged by. However all we would have to do is look at recent history and graves that have been uncovered and their markings to know that there were women who took part in the first church and slowly were taken out of office with the merging of the Roman Empire and so called church fathers. The long boring councils in Nicaea, Orange, Trent, Ephesus, Chalcedon, Constantinople and where else...my memory fails me.. Read what they were about....how the trinity doctrine was ingrained and how women were taken from the pulpits and on and on...change after change took place....The church became a complicated instutition set up by Rome and it's evils...
Nicaea

AMEN!!!

I believe it can be proven, that the Catholic Church changed Matt 28:19.

That is why I wish we had some original scriptures. If they, the RCC could change a word here or there to downgrade women, I wouldn't be surprised. Or if they could make it look like what was asked in the letter, was Paul's words, it would not surprise me.

That is why we have to harmonize all of the scriptures.

If Matt 28:19 is the Lords words, then the Apostles were disobedient.
If 1 Cor. 14:34 is Paul's instructions, without any farther study, then there are a bunch of scriptures not true.

Is the Word of God infallible? YES!!! But man's interpretation is not. But God made it so that those that will search deep and compare one scripture against another, to come to harmony, it can be understood.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by renee819

AMEN!!!

I believe it can be proven, that the Catholic Church changed Matt 28:19.

That is why I wish we had some original scriptures. If they, the RCC could change a word here or there to downgrade women, I wouldn't be surprised. Or if they could make it look like what was asked in the letter, was Paul's words, it would not surprise me.

That is why we have to harmonize all of the scriptures.

If Matt 28:19 is the Lords words, then the Apostles were disobedient.
If 1 Cor. 14:34 is Paul's instructions, without any farther study, then there are a bunch of scriptures not true.

Is the Word of God infallible? YES!!! But man's interpretation is not. But God made it so that those that will search deep and compare one scripture against another, to come to harmony, it can be understood.

You, as well as others, are assuming that Matt 28:19 and Acts 2:38 are speaking of words to be said over someone while they are baptizing another person. Some folks are never going to understand that the words another man says while immersing someone doesn't have one thing to do with the baptizee's salvation.

[renee819]

Originally Posted by seekerman

You, as well as others, are assuming that Matt 28:19 and Acts 2:38 are speaking of words to be said over someone while they are baptizing another person. Some folks are never going to understand that the words another man says while immersing someone doesn't have one thing to do with the baptizee's salvation.

I hope not! for the sake of the Trinitarians.

But why not obey what the Bible says, instead of an injunction by the Catholic Church?

[SOUNWORTHY]

My aunt was a pastor for many years. She went into a town in Illinois and started a church where men had failed . She not only started one church but several churches and at least three of those are still strong churches now pastored by men.

Women preachers should remember they are women and not try to preach like a man.

[KeptByTheWord]

Sis. Alvear, I was thinking about this thread the other day, and I was reading where Paul commended Priscilla and Aquila for their work in spreading the gospel, and I can't help but think that if the Apostle Paul were still writing today, Paul would definitely be writing to commend the work that you and Bro. Alvear have done, a team working together, I'm sure much like Aquila and Priscilla of the NT. God Bless You Sister!

[KeptByTheWord]

I have an aunt who is a licensed minister with the UPC. She does not pastor, but helps out wherever there is a need, filling in for local pastors going on vacation, or who are sick, and she also manages the local church camp. She does perform wedding ceremonies, and funerals as well. Mostly she teaches, encourages, and blesses those around her who are in need of someone to help out. And if she is not busy enough doing that, she has an assisted living facility set up in her home which ministers to the elderly and those needing help recuperating from surgery, illness etc. I think she is doing more than her fair share to be a minister of the gospel, helping those in need around her.

I believe she is the epitome of a Titus 2 woman, or a Proverbs 31 woman.

[navygoat1998]

I have no problem with women teachers, preachers and I can be taught by a sister. But I can not be pastored by a sister.