Has anyone attended an Apostolic College? - Page 9

navygoat1998 · #81 10-08-2013, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke

I just see to many places in the Bible where to believe in oneness doctrine would not fit some examples of these are:

John 8:16,29
16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

John 16:13-15
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

There are many more places in the new testament that could be pointed out but one very interesting one from the old testament that i will point out also:

Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

I do not bash or look down on those who disagree with me on this topic I agree with oness believers that Jesus is God i agree that the blood washes away our sin i agree that the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues is for us today and really should not be thought of as opional ( though i do not beleive that one must speak in tongues in order to be saved but that the baptism of the Holy Ghost is a subsequent work of God) I agree that baptism is a needful thing in our christian experience (though i would not say that we saved at the point of baptism but at the point of repentance and faith in Jesus but if a person choose not to be baptized or is offered the chanced and refuses or does not seek to be baptized they will forefite their salvation). There are many places and ways I agree with oneness pentecostals and therefore i cannot as some trinitarians speak of them as a cult but rather veiw them as fellow christians and as my brothers and sister in Christ.

Michael The Disciple · #82 10-08-2013, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke

I just see to many places in the Bible where to believe in oneness doctrine would not fit some examples of these are:

John 8:16,29
16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

John 16:13-15
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

There are many more places in the new testament that could be pointed out but one very interesting one from the old testament that i will point out also:

Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

I do not bash or look down on those who disagree with me on this topic I agree with oness believers that Jesus is God i agree that the blood washes away our sin i agree that the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues is for us today and really should not be thought of as opional ( though i do not beleive that one must speak in tongues in order to be saved but that the baptism of the Holy Ghost is a subsequent work of God) I agree that baptism is a needful thing in our christian experience (though i would not say that we saved at the point of baptism but at the point of repentance and faith in Jesus but if a person choose not to be baptized or is offered the chanced and refuses or does not seek to be baptized they will forefite their salvation). There are many places and ways I agree with oneness pentecostals and therefore i cannot as some trinitarians speak of them as a cult but rather veiw them as fellow christians and as my brothers and sister in Christ.

A problem with this. Not one of any of your examples mentions there being 3 CO EQUAL, CO ETERNAL, persons each one of them being God distinct from the other.

Trins I talk to love to get a big laugh out of Jesus being both Father and Son.

YET......it does not occur to them the absurdity of the main definition of Trinity.

If the Father and the Son are CO ETERNAL how could one be the Father of the other? Instead they would be more like TWINS would they not?

The Father would not really be the FATHER at all! If the Son is a co eternal person NO ONE FATHERED HIM! Amen?

If I were to return to my Trinitarian beliefs I would THEN have a whole set of scriptures as you do that would be always making me think HMMMMM I wonder what that means?

You know like Isaiah 9:6 which plainly tells us the Christ IS BOTH THE FATHER AND THE SON!

So yes I am saddened to hear you are Trinitarian. But by no means do I blanketly assume all Oneness to be more spiritual than all Trins.

Once past Oneness and Acts 2:38 Oneness Pentecostals have little to offer IMO.

SOUNWORTHY · #83 10-09-2013, 08:22 AM

I graduated from Bible college not once but twice. I also attended a secular University.
The Bible college was priceless the University was useless, not sure what I learned that I had not already learned in Bible college.

RandyWayne · #84 10-09-2013, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SOUNWORTHY

I graduated from Bible college not once but twice. I also attended a secular University.
The Bible college was priceless the University was useless, not sure what I learned that I had not already learned in Bible college.

Twice? Reminds me of a classic scene from the series COPS where a drunk was pulled over and told the officer he had a 12 year education because he graduated from the 6th grade twice.

And I do agree that SOME University degrees, such as a Phd in the Studies of Erotic Poetry or a Masters in Oriental Clay Sculpting, can be pretty useless.

MarcBee · #85 10-09-2013, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

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Trins I talk to love to get a big laugh out of Jesus being both Father and Son.

YET......it does not occur to them the absurdity of the main definition of Trinity.

If the Father and the Son are CO ETERNAL how could one be the Father of the other? Instead they would be more like TWINS would they not?...

Oh yeah, your take is perfect sense. In the year I graduated from a UPC Bible college, I probably wouldn't have thought the attached graphic was funny, either. (click to enlarge.)

RandyWayne · #86 10-09-2013, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MarcBee

Oh yeah, your take is perfect sense. In the year I graduated from a UPC Bible college, I probably wouldn't have thought the attached graphic was funny, either.

Sabby · #87 10-10-2013, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Disciple4life

Thank You for your input!

This is what I wanted to know the pros and cons of attending a bible college and if you would do it again.

I was not trying to start a debate on the validity of bible colleges.

I figured as much.

TGBTG · #88 10-11-2013, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

You guys didn't know Luke was holiness pentecostal? ie trinitarian and second work sanctification?

You guys must not have been paying attention to his posts.

Interesting. I also ASSUMED he was oneness.

William York · #89 02-04-2014, 05:11 PM

Texas Bible College, CLC-Stockton, Indiana Bible College, Urshan Graduate University, Gateway. Kent also has one. These are actually common and what some disciples never learn is that the intense training and learning various methods of study are valuable. You are not wasting time sharpening the axe. Many people who never went say don't go, but those of us that lived through it count it as an infinitely valuable experience. Yes, you will be challenged there and forced to think about doctrine like you haven't in the past, but for those that LOVE the truth and submit to a proper authority the Bible is clear, "Buy the truth and sell it not."