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Old 10-19-2013, 07:48 AM
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Re: Strange Fire Conference

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THEY are right? Are you kidding?

I think Apostolic doctrine is right. What did the Apostles teach?

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Rom. 6:1-2

So if we sin every day pray tell how is that not CONTINUING IN SIN?


If we sin every day how is that not LIVING IN SIN?

How can we be DEAD TO SIN if we cannot stop sinning?
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What if you sin once a week? Is that continuing in sin? Once a month?

Mat 5:27 "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.'
Mat 5:28 But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
I don't believe it is how often, it is the condition of the heart.

I believe David called some sins, “presumptuous sins.”

Christianity has been taught, through slogans, “We're not perfect” (And we certainly are not) “We're just human” “You sin a little every day.” And a lot of this comes from, OSAS and you're sins are covered “past, present and future.”

If you sin, and you know that you sinning, but, "So what? we're just human." or God will forgive me. I believe that is presumptuous sins.
Some sins are committed thru ignorance. Actually all sin is ignorant, when we compare what we have received, and the danger of losing or becoming hardened to sin, so that we no longer see our sins, and being lost.

For instance, in my 20's, I didn't realize that I was coveting money. Then after a few days of fasting, God showed me how wrong my thinking was. Did I learn all at once? No, but little by little.
I looked into, “The Power of Positive Thinking,” and the “Prosperity Message,” Oh, I wanted to get into that, but realized from the beginning, it was a message from hell.

It is not a matter of making a list and checking to see if we are on the right page. If we do not condition our heart, to live a righteous and holy life, we won't.

I believe that “peer pressure” is one of our greatest problems.
For instance, Suppose I'm by myself and I see a nice looking man. I acknowledge that fact and go on to think about other things. But, suppose I start fantasizing. That is lust and a sin. And not to be taken lightly.

But suppose I'm in a group of Pentecostal ladies, and they start fantasizing. (I don't remember being in that group) But someone should call a halt to it. “Look this is not right!”

Suppose I'm with a group of sinner ladies, and the conversation turns that way? (I probably have been in that situation—don't exactly remember. I think men are more prone to this, than women.) Would I stop it? Probably not. They are sinners and can think anything that comes to their mind. I would probably try to change the subject or if possible walk away from them. I don't enjoy being with sinners. Their talk is not my talk and my talk would not be theirs. I'm not interested in the latest movies or their stars or the soaps. I used to be interested in the News, but many ladies are not.

But lust and covetousness, are not the only sins. What about 'idle talk' “we will give an account for every idle word.”

I believe it is where your heart is. If you want to live a clean, holy life, God gives you the wisdom, moral strength and ability to do so. And if and when, you mess up. You repent.
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Old 10-19-2013, 02:01 PM
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Re: Strange Fire Conference

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Is MacArthur both a Calvinist AND a preterist? One of the speakers at the conference is R.C. Sproul who is both.

Actually, I don't care what MacArthur believes, I just wanted to post something.

As far as I know he is pre trib?
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Old 10-20-2013, 08:38 AM
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Is MacArthur both a Calvinist AND a preterist? One of the speakers at the conference is R.C. Sproul who is both.

Actually, I don't care what MacArthur believes, I just wanted to post something.

He's a dispensationalist, and I believe he's a pre-trib rapturist.
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Is MacArthur both a Calvinist AND a preterist? One of the speakers at the conference is R.C. Sproul who is both. Actually, I don't care what MacArthur believes, I just wanted to post something.
calvinist (amen) and a dispensationalist (pray for him)
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Old 10-20-2013, 10:36 AM
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Re: Strange Fire Conference

It has been so many years since I heard MacArthur on the radio that I would not recognize his voice if I heard it. (I didn't play any links that people may have posted here to refresh my memory.)
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Old 10-20-2013, 10:56 AM
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It has been so many years since I heard MacArthur on the radio that I would not recognize his voice if I heard it. (I didn't play any links that people may have posted here to refresh my memory.)
I recommend Matt Chandler and Steve Furtick.
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Who cares what he says? Not me. Just another lying false prophet.
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Who cares what he says? Not me. Just another lying false prophet.
yep. nothing new really.
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Old 10-21-2013, 08:31 AM
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I wouldn't say everything he teaches is fundamentally wrong. The man can run theological rings around most of our apostolic "scholars".
In my opinion, a seven year old with the Holy Ghost is more anointed by God than MacArthur. It's not about intelligence or philosophical understanding... it's about knowing God through Jesus Christ in the power of the Holy Ghost.

MacArthur knows his systematic "Reformed" theology better than most Pentecostal people do. Thus, he appears to run circles around them. And it is admitted, Pentecostals don't have a solid systematic theology with regards to Pentecostal doctrine. Most are only schooled in the opinion of their pastors supplemented by personal study and experience.

However, I've talked with plenty of "Reformed" preachers and run circles around them with a systematic approach to Pentecostal doctrine. For reference, I'll list here my systematic framework...
1. Election (God's choice of people to be saved in accordance to foreknowledge)

2. Propitiation (Christ's satisfying the Law and God's wrath against the sins of the Elect through His shed blood)

3. Atonement (Christ's work of covering the sins of the Elect through His shed blood)

4. The Gospel call (Receiving the message of the gospel through the Spirit's Prevenient Grace)

5. Conversion (faith, repentance, water baptism, Spirit baptism)

6. Justification (sinless legal standing before God)

7. Regeneration (being born again/one spirit with the Lord)

8. Adoption (membership in God's family/oneness with God via the Spirit)

9. Sanctification (growing in Christlikeness)

10. Perseverance (remaining under the blood as a Christian through continual confession and repentance)

11. Death (going to be with the Lord)

12. Glorification (receiving a resurrection body in sinless perfection)
The above is essentially how I explain salvation through a systematic approach. In my system of theology there are also many sub categories. For example under point 4 (The Gospel Call) I emphasize that there is both an "outer calling" (the preached Word) and an "inner calling" (the drawing of the Holy Ghost). Both must be taking place for a believer to be born again. Sometimes men hear the outer calling of the Gospel and want to respond with their natural mind without the inner calling of the Spirit. These are those who "repent", and might even be baptized, but never receive the Holy Ghost or receive the Holy Ghost much later. God isn't drawing them at that time. They can only come to the Son as the Father leads them. Other sub topics can be found throughout. This was just an example.

I keep the primary doctrinal points to 12 for simplicity and memorization. 12 is also a cool "biblical" number to use (12 Tribes, 12 Apostles, etc.).



I hope it helps.

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Old 10-21-2013, 08:49 AM
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Meh. I'm just becoming an old fuddy duddy at 35 apparently because I am far more interested in hearing good systematic expository teaching on the scriptures (such as Macarthur does) than I am in "anointed" Pentecostal "preaching". I liek to be educated, not just have my emotions pumped up by a guy who went to Bible college just long enough to learn when to say a hot button phrase and make sheep stand and shout.
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