Why Baptism Doesn't Wash Away Sins, Acts 10:43

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by houston

Esaias,

Do you believe that those who are baptized will be lost because they do not believe that THAT is when/where their sins are forgiven?

Not sure about that one. Still studying it.

I also don't think the apostles thought in terms of 'when EXACTLY are one's sins forgiven?' like we seem to be fixated on.

I am trying to change my paradigm to be more biblical, ie more like the world-view the apostles had. I have found that many of the 'issues' we have nowadays in matters of religion would have seemed quite strange and foreign to the apostles and the first generation of Christians. There are some things the Bible doesn't address. Not because God 'overlooked something', and not because He thinks them to be unimportant, but more likely because we are on a different page than He is. We create issues where none need to be.

Why is there an issue about this? I cannot fathom why someone would spend so much effort trying to prove baptism doesn't save us, sins aren't washed away in baptism, baptism is a 'work', baptism doesn't really do much of anything... what's the point? Such arguments only seem to support someone who wants to REFUSE TO BE BAPTISED. Whoever heard of a believer in Jesus who REFUSED TO BE BAPTISED?

It's like finding an answer to a question never asked, or a solution to a problem that doesn't actually exist...

[Originalist]

I've never heard it taught that baptism washes away sin. It is ,however, you symbolically renouncing the flesh and putting to death your old man. It is also a surrender of the temple of your body to the authority of the One who purchased it as his dwelling. It is a step towards the new birth. We simply cannot ignore Jesus' own words...


He who believes and is baptized shall be saved (saved by "washing of new birth and renewing of the Holy Ghost" as Paul said in Titus 3:5. If we are not willing to renounce the old man, we cannot expect to receive the new man.)

[Abiding Now]

Absolutely amazing...............................

[houston]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Such arguments only seem to support someone who wants to REFUSE TO BE BAPTISED. Whoever heard of a believer in Jesus who REFUSED TO BE BAPTISED? It's like finding an answer to a question never asked, or a solution to a problem that doesn't actually exist...

So we should shut up as y'all proclaim that baptism is for the forgiveness of sins?

[DaveC519]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Mabey this will be a good read for you Danshaf...

http://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-1Peter-3-21.html

I find it interesting that the writer (and the source he quotes) have obfuscated what Peter wrote:

"...The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...".

Nothing Peter wrote before or after this alters the force of this declaration. It explicates, but doesn't alter. And through his explication he re-enforces his declaration: that baptism's efficacy is spiritual in nature, not in the realm of the flesh.

This agrees with Paul's statement that baptism performs a circumcision of the heart (Col 2:11-12).

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Well, according to some of you what Christ did on the cross was not enough?

Yep...all those protestants that believe in addition to what Christ did we need faith and repentance...sad isn't it?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by DaveC519

"...The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...".

Nobody I've ever met believes that.

[Abiding Now]

It would appear that "Simple Believism" is alive on AFF and anyone that advocates repentance, water baptism, infilling of the Holy Ghost and separation is ADDING TO the work of Calvary.
Bunch of Baptist!

[houston]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

It would appear that "Simple Believism" is alive on AFF and anyone that advocates repentance, water baptism, infilling of the Holy Ghost and separation is ADDING TO the work of Calvary. Bunch of Baptist!

I don't know anyone (here) who doesn't believe in repentance, water baptism, and the Holy Spirit.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by houston

I don't know anyone (here) who doesn't believe in repentance, water baptism, and the Holy Spirit.

Right. Believing in "repentance, water baptism, and the Holy Spirit" and saying that they essential for one's salvation is two different things.