Why Baptism Doesn't Wash Away Sins, Acts 10:43

[renee819]

You said it, Esaias,
There are people on here that are “rebels at heart” and we can give them a dozen scriptures and it makes no difference. Evidently they don't believe the Bible, only their own heart. Even saying lay the Bible down to get closer to God.

I pray that no one listens to them. And I pray that God will open their eyes.

Esaias wrote,

Why is there an issue about this? I cannot fathom why someone would spend so much effort trying to prove baptism doesn't save us, sins aren't washed away in baptism, baptism is a 'work', baptism doesn't really do much of anything... what's the point? Such arguments only seem to support someone who wants to REFUSE TO BE BAPTISED. Whoever heard of a believer in Jesus who REFUSED TO BE BAPTISED?

It's like finding an answer to a question never asked, or a solution to a problem that doesn't actually exist

Houston wrote

So we should shut up as y'all proclaim that baptism is for the forgiveness of sins?

I don't believe that anyone said “ that baptism is for the forgiveness of sins.” God forgives when a person repents. And we are told in Gods Word, that baptism washes those forgiven sins away. It also tells us, 'it is a circumcision of the heart.”

Circumcision in the natural cuts away part of the flesh. Circumcision of the heart, since all our thoughts come from the heart, is burying the old man, the flesh, in a watery grave, to rise to walk in newness of life. That newness would be in “the fear of the Lord,” to learn to hate evil, but because we have free will, many go back and revive, pick up the old man again.

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection

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There are parts of the Bible, that if we could we would question the interpreters, but to question God's Plan of salvation, is to shake our fist at God, telling Him that we know of a better way.

[votivesoul]

How about some OT typology?

Anyone want to fit their particular view of water baptism into the sacrificial system of the Tabernacle and/or Temple?

Because if anyone is willing, I would like to see how anyone can come to some other conclusion, based off the typology of coming to God, that actually fits.

Altar of Sacrifice = Death of the Savior = Repentance from Dead Works

Laver of Water = Burial of the Savior = Water Baptism in Jesus' Name

Altar of Incense = Resurrection of the Savior = Infilling of the Holy Spirit

Ark of the Covenant in the Holiest of All = Ascension of Christ to Heaven to the Right Hand of the Father = Eternal Salvation of the Believer

Note, too, that the particular arrangement of all the articles, plus the menorah and the table inside of the holy place to the left and right, when looked at from above, make the shape of the cross.

But God's not trying to tell anyone anything, is He?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by houston

Paul that wrote whosoever calls upon the name of The Lord shall be saved...

Paul that wrote that he came not to baptize...

Calling on the name of the Lord IS BAPTISM!

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Quoted from...

Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Then ...

Act 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

And when Peter Preached Joel 2, where Romans 10:13's reference is from, Peter told them baptism in Jesus' name. Hence, calling on the name of the Lord is being baptized with JESUS' name being invoked.

"CALLING UPON" is literally INVOKING - speaking it.

G1941
ἐπικαλέομαι
epikaleomai
ep-ee-kal-eh'-om-ahee
Middle voice from G1909 and G2564; to entitle; by implication to invoke (for aid, worship, testimony, decision, etc.): - appeal (unto), call (on, upon), surname.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Well, according to some of you what Christ did on the cross was not enough?

Baptism is applying what Christ did for us to ourselves:

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

[DaveC519]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Nobody I've ever met believes that.

Apparently, that radical Jesus of Nazareth did (Mk 16:16).

[Dordrecht]

The whole point is that baptism is not a condition for salvation.

Yes we should be baptized in water, yes we should be baptized with the Holy Ghost, but these two issues are not required for salvation.

Anyone who comes to Christ with a repenting heart and accepts what Christ did at the cross IS saved. Very simple.

There must be 20.000 different denominations under "religious authority" trying to teach differently, but they are all running after a different gospel.

"Religion" is the worst enemy of the gospel.

Get out of religion and go to the cross.

[Dordrecht]

Originally Posted by DaveC519

Apparently, that radical Jesus of Nazareth did (Mk 16:16).

That refers not to water baptism but to "being baptized into Christ". (Romans 6:3)

[Dordrecht]

Let me ask you this:

When a person repents and comes to Christ, that person is saved. The Bible says so.

Now this person decides to get baptized a week later and gets killed in the car on his way to the baptism service.......is that person going to hell because he/she was not baptized yet?

Please people give your head a shake!
Get rid of that legalism in your life.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

That refers not to water baptism but to "being baptized into Christ". (Romans 6:3)

Baptism into Christ is water baptism. Same thing. The same effects of being baptized into Christ in Romans 6 -- so as to overcome sin -- are listed in 1 Peter 4 in the context of water baptism from 1 Peter 3:20.

1Pe 3:20-4:3 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. (21) The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: (22) Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him. (4:1) Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; (2) That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. (3) For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:


Rom 6:4-12 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. (5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: (6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. (7) For he that is dead is freed from sin. (8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: (9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. (10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. (11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. (12) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

The whole point is that baptism is not a condition for salvation.

Yes we should be baptized in water, yes we should be baptized with the Holy Ghost, but these two issues are not required for salvation.

Anyone who comes to Christ with a repenting heart and accepts what Christ did at the cross IS saved. Very simple.

There must be 20.000 different denominations under "religious authority" trying to teach differently, but they are all running after a different gospel.

"Religion" is the worst enemy of the gospel.

Get out of religion and go to the cross.

It's not "religion" to believe baptism in water is baptism into Christ's death. It's bible.