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[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

SFOFL!!!!

AB, what does that mean???

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

AB, what does that mean???

Screams Falls On Floor Laughing.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

George Wood has been in Pentecost for over 50 years why has he not been lead into the truth according to Oneness doctrine?

And why haven't all the Oneness folks been led into the truth of the trinity?

When I got the Holy Ghost, I had no conception of 'Oneness vs trinity'. The word 'trinity' to me, at that time, simply meant God the Father, Jesus the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit. But the INSTANT God filled me with the Holy Ghost I KNEW I was just filled with JESUS CHRIST. It was JESUS who came into my soul, into my being, into my spirit, into my very person.

Within about a week I met a brother who showed me Isaiah 9:6 and Matthew 28:18-19 and Acts 2:38 and it MADE PERFECT SENSE.

It wasn't until years later that I heard the term 'Oneness' as a theological concept of the godhead. Prior to that I simply thought of the 'trinity' as being the three ways God reveals himself to mankind - as Father, as the son (Jesus of Nazareth), as the Spirit. I did NOT however have any conception of 'three people' or 'three persons' or 'three personalities' in heaven or anywhere else. All 'three' were ONE to me - and HIS NAME WAS JESUS.

After I studied the issues of trinity, Oneness, Arianism, two-ness, etc etc... I have become even more convinced than ever that the trinity doctrine is a man made lie borrowed from Jewish and pagan gnosticism foisted upon Christendom. I have also become ever more convinced that the average 'trinitarian' has no idea what 'trinity' actually means or implies. I am convinced based upon my interactions with trinitarians that the average trinitarian believes as I did - that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three terms for the three ways God relates to us.

I have also met some who are outright tritheists, though they of course would deny it.

And I have met a couple who swear up and down that 'trinity means Jesus is not God, just God's son'. Go figure.

I have also listened to a baptist 'trinitarian' preacher preach the deity of Jesus as strongly and as well as any Oneness preacher. And I have listened to trinitarians pray, and many times they go from praying to God the Father to Jesus back and forth AS IF THEY WERE ONENESS.

Example: Holy Father, we worship you and praise you and give you glory Lord Jesus, for you are worthy of honour and praise Lord God, bless us with your presence Lord, let your will be done Lord Jesus, for we are your children and you are our Abba Father Lord God... etc etc.

Many trinitarians are Oneness through and through until you bring up the subject of 'the trinity' then suddenly they have to defend the triune godhead at all costs, mostly due to lack of knowledge of what they are talking about, I suspect. Many trinitarians, if you say to them 'the trinity is a false conception of God' think you are simply denying the deity of Jesus.

[tv1a]

Oneness theology is not a heaven or hell issue. The only thing oneness theology proves is they are as smart as devils.

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

George Wood has been in Pentecost for over 50 years why has he not been lead into the truth according to Oneness doctrine?

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Esaias

And why haven't all the Oneness folks been led into the truth of the trinity?

When I got the Holy Ghost, I had no conception of 'Oneness vs trinity'. The word 'trinity' to me, at that time, simply meant God the Father, Jesus the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit. But the INSTANT God filled me with the Holy Ghost I KNEW I was just filled with JESUS CHRIST. It was JESUS who came into my soul, into my being, into my spirit, into my very person.

Within about a week I met a brother who showed me Isaiah 9:6 and Matthew 28:18-19 and Acts 2:38 and it MADE PERFECT SENSE.

It wasn't until years later that I heard the term 'Oneness' as a theological concept of the godhead. Prior to that I simply thought of the 'trinity' as being the three ways God reveals himself to mankind - as Father, as the son (Jesus of Nazareth), as the Spirit. I did NOT however have any conception of 'three people' or 'three persons' or 'three personalities' in heaven or anywhere else. All 'three' were ONE to me - and HIS NAME WAS JESUS.

After I studied the issues of trinity, Oneness, Arianism, two-ness, etc etc... I have become even more convinced than ever that the trinity doctrine is a man made lie borrowed from Jewish and pagan gnosticism foisted upon Christendom. I have also become ever more convinced that the average 'trinitarian' has no idea what 'trinity' actually means or implies. I am convinced based upon my interactions with trinitarians that the average trinitarian believes as I did - that Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three terms for the three ways God relates to us.

I have also met some who are outright tritheists, though they of course would deny it.

And I have met a couple who swear up and down that 'trinity means Jesus is not God, just God's son'. Go figure.

I have also listened to a baptist 'trinitarian' preacher preach the deity of Jesus as strongly and as well as any Oneness preacher. And I have listened to trinitarians pray, and many times they go from praying to God the Father to Jesus back and forth AS IF THEY WERE ONENESS.

Example: Holy Father, we worship you and praise you and give you glory Lord Jesus, for you are worthy of honour and praise Lord God, bless us with your presence Lord, let your will be done Lord Jesus, for we are your children and you are our Abba Father Lord God... etc etc.

Many trinitarians are Oneness through and through until you bring up the subject of 'the trinity' then suddenly they have to defend the triune godhead at all costs, mostly due to lack of knowledge of what they are talking about, I suspect. Many trinitarians, if you say to them 'the trinity is a false conception of God' think you are simply denying the deity of Jesus.

Some of the best Oneness messages have been in the Assemblies of God churches that we have been part of.

I don't really get caught up in the Godhead issue in as much as I know who Christ is in my life.

I have heard many different ways that even on this forum how the Oneness view the Godhead and yes I have heard some Trins that sound like they worship 3 gods.

I myself have been rebuked by some very strong reformation brothers who told me that I am modalist and that I need to repent and submit myself to the elders of the Church for training. I guess they would have drown me if I would have told them I am Pentecostal.

I am a tongue talking, in the authority of Jesus Christ Baptized, One God Trinitarian Pentecostal.

[MarcBee]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I do not claim people would just 'criticise it', but that people would later claim 'there is no evidence' even if God did show up for a book signing.

Proof in point - God HAS showed up 'physically', and later on people (such as yourself) claim it never happened. Incidentally, what in the world makes you think God would ever choose to condescend to meet YOUR expectations? I mean, what possible claim do you have on God, whereby God must logically and reasonably comply with YOUR expectations, whatever they may be?

Seems to me it is our responsibility to comply with God's expectations, not the other way around. Consider - *IF* there was a Supreme Deity, then it would make perfect sense that He does not 'owe' each of us to 'prove himself' to OUR SATISFACTION, considering there are quite a few intractable individuals who would not believe under any circumstances short of violating their free will. Therefore it follows that God is not obligated to meet any particular person's 'test' or requirements. And if not anybody's, then nobody's. And therefore God is not obligated to 'prove himself' to you, me, or anyone else.

'Thou shalt not tempt the LORD thy God'.

You don't believe. Good for you. You may rest in your self-supposed mental superiority, and ride it as far as it will carry you.

Timmy Talk, naturally.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...26#post1287226

[tv1a]

Oneitarian is a pretty good balance.

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Some of the best Oneness messages have been in the Assemblies of God churches that we have been part of.

I don't really get caught up in the Godhead issue in as much as I know who Christ is in my life.

I have heard many different ways that even on this forum how the Oneness view the Godhead and yes I have heard some Trins that sound like they worship 3 gods.

I myself have been rebuked by some very strong reformation brothers who told me that I am modalist and that I need to repent and submit myself to the elders of the Church for training. I guess they would have drown me if I would have told them I am Pentecostal.

I am a tongue talking, in the authority of Jesus Christ Baptized, One God Trinitarian Pentecostal.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Oneitarian is a pretty good balance.

That probably best describes my Godhead view

[tv1a]

Both sides are essentially the same. One side views the godhead as spiritual cosmic entity, the other side views the godhead as a personal relational entity.

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

That probably best describes my Godhead view

[tv1a]

It's fun watching oneness people try to explain why Mary can't be the mother of God. They sound like trinnies.