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Old 11-18-2013, 04:40 AM
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Re: How do you 'pastor' somebody?

The single pastor model is a great model...for the man on top with all the power.
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Old 11-18-2013, 08:42 AM
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Re: How do you 'pastor' somebody?

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The single pastor model is a great model...for the man on top with all the power.
For those pastors who treat their role as such, God will most definitely bring into judgment (Ezek 34:10).

The scriptural model of leadership (Mt 20:25-28; 1 Pet 5:1-3) is an inverted pyramid, meaning the one "on top" is really on the bottom and servant of all. For every example of an abuse of this, I have no doubt there are a hundred- or even a thousand- unsung examples of Godly pastors with true servant hearts feeding the flock in the manner set forth in Scripture. Rather than only focusing on the bad apples, let us focus even more on the good ones!
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Old 11-18-2013, 12:32 PM
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Re: How do you 'pastor' somebody?

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For those pastors who treat their role as such, God will most definitely bring into judgment (Ezek 34:10).

The scriptural model of leadership (Mt 20:25-28; 1 Pet 5:1-3) is an inverted pyramid, meaning the one "on top" is really on the bottom and servant of all. For every example of an abuse of this, I have no doubt there are a hundred- or even a thousand- unsung examples of Godly pastors with true servant hearts feeding the flock in the manner set forth in Scripture. Rather than only focusing on the bad apples, let us focus even more on the good ones!
I do agree with this. Just like when I worked in retail, I knew there were 10-100 good customers for every bad one that wanted to make me tear my hair out at the end of the day, but those bad ones were the only ones I remembered, and really REALLY got under my skin.
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Old 11-18-2013, 01:49 PM
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Re: How do you 'pastor' somebody?

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For those pastors who treat their role as such, God will most definitely bring into judgment (Ezek 34:10).

The scriptural model of leadership (Mt 20:25-28; 1 Pet 5:1-3) is an inverted pyramid, meaning the one "on top" is really on the bottom and servant of all. For every example of an abuse of this, I have no doubt there are a hundred- or even a thousand- unsung examples of Godly pastors with true servant hearts feeding the flock in the manner set forth in Scripture. Rather than only focusing on the bad apples, let us focus even more on the good ones!
This is true, I like the inverted pyramid model. That is biblical, but the problem still remains that one bad apple spoils the whole bag. One piece of mold spoils the whole loaf of bread. Trying not to toss the baby out with the bath water is hard when you have these kind of situations.
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Old 11-18-2013, 03:51 PM
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"And he gave some,apostles;and some,prophets;and some,evangelists;and some,pastors and teachers; Eph 4:11 is as far as I know the single use of the word in the NT...And I believe,considering the punctuation,pastor and teacher are the same.This does not diminish the role of what we call pastors,but I believe that in the New Testament church,the roles might not have been as firmly fixed as they are in our minds..I commonly remind the folks that gather with us in our small country church, that they can call me what they want. They can accept my leadership if they wish. I TEACH strong doctrine! Sometimes they leave temporarily, (except for a nucleus) but some keep coming around and they have to hear truth if they are there. In my opinion, I am an elder that labors in the word and doctrine. I learned long ago, that I could not force anyone to do anything!
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