Thailand Oneness

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Sabby

Michael,

Another issue the FMB had with Br Nigh was the German nationals were growing facial hair. His position, which he iterated to the Foreign Mission's Board was that he was not called to Americanize new believers. He did not require German men to be clean shaven. The Board believed he should teach them otherwise. He took as much heat over facial hair than anything else

Whether Nigh's teaching is preterist or not, it in no way justifies the way he was treated. It is probably closer to being partial-preterist/historicist in nature. What part of what Jesus said is not clear? He said, "NO MAN KNOWS". No matter what scriptures from the epistles or Revelation you cobble together, they do not over ride or supercede the Lord's words. He said very plainly, "NO MAN KNOWS". All scripture is given by inspiration of God and there is NO GREATER authority in the written word than the words of the Lord Jesus Himself. He said, "NO MAN KNOWS".

That's one of the problems with UPC. Teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Like hypocrites they teach from the OT that a woman sins by wearing "pants". At the same time the OT teaches men not to shave their beards while they refute this. If wearing pants is sin for a woman shaving is sin for men. The UPC is not made up of dummies. They must see this. Yet because of the ties to traditions of men they refuse to repent.

None of this excuses distorting the teaching of the second coming of Christ.

[renee819]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Note the error presented here. Not saying its deliberate but nonetheless error. This is what happens when men don't rightly divide the word of truth.

Where is the NO MAN KNOWS scripture located?

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Matt 24:37

So does anyone consider the CONTEXT? What day is Yeshua Christ talking about?

Let us examine the full context.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Matt. 24:29-36

Is it not obvious the DAY Christ is referring to? Just read BACK from verse 36 to verse 31.

Volia! There is THE DAY Yeshua was talking about! Its not such a great mystery after all to those who have read the Lords words in Matthew and notice their CONTEXT.

The day of which no man knows is AFTER THE GREAT TRIBULATION. Again read the CONTEXT!

Yeshua taught no one will know the day or the hour of HIS POST TRIBULATION COMING!

No one will know the day or the hour BUT we know when it will NOT BE! It will NOT be until after the tribulation Christ spoke about a mere FIVE VERSES from the one that says OF THAT DAY........the day in verses 30-31.

The day of Christs coming and gathering together his elect!

So correction has been given. The full context has been shown.

Bottom line. No one will know the day or hour of Christs coming. We do know that day will NOT happen until the end of the great tribulation.

Amen, Michael. The key is, we won't know the DAY or The HOUR, that is bringing it down too close to call. But it is clear in those scriptures as well as others, it is after---GREAT TRIBULATION.

One of the great dangers of teaching, the 'imminent return of Christ” is, when people that have been taught this, see the Great Tribulation, happening, they will say, as Jesus told us they would, “My Lord delayeth His coming.”

Luke 12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers

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(To Michael, I gave my son, again, your book to mail for me. over a week ago, I see it's still in his van. He's had company and the holidays. I'll see that it gets mailed this week.)

[Michael The Disciple]

Thanks Sister!

[Michael The Disciple]

AZionist is one that believes that the nation of Israel (the Jewish race) is God's chosen people and teach that the temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt AND that God will return to them to be their personal God during the end times. Zionists believe the church is an interim Bride (a parenthetical church on an end-times timeline) for God until the arrival of the "end of the age" and the Jews are once again restored as God's own. This, in spite of the words of our Lord Jesus speaking of the Jews fulfilling the role of prophet murderers.

A compilation of distortions and broad brushing in order to begin to set up "preterism" as being true.

[Sabby]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

A compilation of distortions and broad brushing in order to begin to set up "preterism" as being true.

Mike,

I will keep this thread on topic. It's not about YOUR eschatology, it is about the move of God in Thailand.

We can agree to disagree. When you can find a single scripture that speaks of a singular 3 and a half year or 7 year tribulation, which you call the Great Tribulation, I will be open to your point of view. You are the one using a broad brush by labeling what you obviously do not understand and are deconstructing what Jesus himself said.

He said He will come again. We are still awaiting that return. He said no one will know the day or hour because He will return when the church world least expects it - otherwise known as a thief in the night.

He said BE READY. He said, DO SOMETHING with what you have received from Him.

When you see the living conditions and know of the massacres of believers that have happened in places like Burma for example, you might understand what the Lord meant by tribulation.

If you want to start another thread on your Scofield Theology, have at it. My thread is about the move of the Spirit of God in SE Asia.

[Michael The Disciple]

About the move of God?

Originally Posted by Sabby View Post
The reasons the Nighs lost their PIM appointment after being on the field for 12years (they then returned to Germany without PIM support for 4 more years) were two-fold.
The most obvious was that they leaned PCI, as did most of the NW at the time-although Oregon and Washington was changing rapidly.
The other reason was his eschatology. He teaches that "no man knows" the day or the hour of the Lord's return and uses the words of the greatest authority in the New Testament-the Lord Jesus Himself- to prove his point. That didn't sit well with the Foreign Missions Board, choosing to align themselves with Zionists, Scofield-believers, Baxter and Treece.

As if the move of God was to promote preterism.

[Sabby]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

About the move of God?



As if the move of God was to promote preterism.

I don't know if you are being intentionally obnoxious or not, but no one is promoting "preterism", as you say.

The hundreds coming to the Lord in Germany and Thailand are believers that have REPENTED, been BAPTIZED in the name of JESUS CHRIST, and have received the BAPTISM of the HOLY SPIRIT. This is an apostolic move of God, my friend. I'm not going to dance to your music.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Sabby

Goat, you are absolutely right, but gives his comment about swimming among sharks some context. Once upon a time (at the merger) the PAJC contingent of the UPCI could fellowship this difference of opinion for the name of Jesus and the cause of missions. Did I say missions?
It is no surprise that by 1980 the majority of UPC PIM-supported foreign missionaries were graduates of Conqueror's Bible College. The reason? Most leaned PCI, were more tolerant of how to interpret Acts 2:38 and preached Jesus Christ and the grace of God, thus more suited to the mission field.

"God didn't call me to Americanize the Germans, but to disciple them to Jesus Christ" N. Wayne Nigh

Sabby you are so right about the move of God in SE Asia, when we were in California a few years ago, we were part of a nondenominational Charismatic church called Water of Life and it gets worse it is Trinitarian

The pastor and teams from the church were going into Burma and Thailand and were buidling ophranges and schools and giving out tents and blankets during the rainy season. They were just loving kids whose arrms and legs were blown off because of all the land mines in the area. The church supported them with food and such all year long.

Sabby they were casting out demons and seeing miracles, did I mention he was Trinitarian? People were coming to know Christ and His power and His Salvation. God is moving and it is an exciting time to be alive in Christ. Friend I love it!

[Sister Alvear]

Well, I do not hold in any way a Preterism veiw however I would never do anything to hinder the work of God anywhere in the world. I rejoice that people are being baptized and are receiving the Holy Ghost.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Sabby

The reasons the Nighs lost their PIM appointment after being on the field for 12years (they then returned to Germany without PIM support for 4 more years) were two-fold.
The most obvious was that they leaned PCI, as did most of the NW at the time-although Oregon and Washington was changing rapidly.
The other reason was his eschatology. He teaches that "no man knows" the day or the hour of the Lord's return and uses the words of the greatest authority in the New Testament-the Lord Jesus Himself- to prove his point. That didn't sit well with the Foreign Missions Board, choosing to align themselves with Zionists, Scofield-believers, Baxter and Treece.

Well I don't want to seem to be trying to hinder a move of God. I do pray for the nations and a few weeks back prayed for Burma and Thailand.

Nonetheless the original poster made an issue about these two things.

PCI doctrine. Believe me I have never been in the UPC so it has nothing to do with their politics. But as far as 3 step vs 1 step which he made an issue of I do think it is error.

Not that God cannot move in that. That's the way I came in myself. Everyone begins with faith. I have ministered and fellowshipped with many kinds believers, many Trinitarians.

Issue two he brought up was to link, Zionist, Schofield and Post trib together as if its all one thing. So I don't think its promoting a move of God to denounce and lump together as one these groups in order to then promote preterism.

If it had just been about people being saved in Thailand I would not have questioned it but rather rejoiced. Peace, Michael.