The Error of Jesus Only Doctrine

Abiding Now · #1 12-14-2013, 01:58 PM

The Error of Jesus Only Doctrine

We teach there is one God manifest in three Persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. The Jesus Only people teach that Christ is the Father, He is the Son, and He is the Holy Spirit. Hence, the name, Jesus Only. I believe we can provide proper evidence from the Word of God that this is not the case and that the teaching advanced by these people is erroneous and does not accord proper due and honor to the Godhead.

The Scripture does state there is one God. But the word “one” relates to unity as well as number. I John 5:7 clearly means one in unity, as does St. John 17:11-21. And yet there are three distinct Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The Jesus Only proponents basically teach baptismal regeneration. In other words, the water saves. This teaching, plus the implication that if one is not baptized in the name of Jesus Only, their sins cannot be forgiven and they will be lost and burn in Hell eternally.

We teach and preach that the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is an experience subsequent to Salvation. However, while we cherish the Baptism with the Spirit, we must reject the insistence of the Jesus Only people that the experience is necessary for Salvation. We believe that the Baptism with the Spirit is a part of our Salvation, but so is Divine healing: and while this is a great blessing, it cannot be labeled as a requisite for Salvation itself. There is a difference between that which we must do in order to be saved and those blessings that come to us because we are saved.

For more information you may call or write and request the booklet, “The Error Of The Jesus Only Doctrine” (10-028).

http://www.jsm.org/faq.html#q3

Praxeas · #2 12-14-2013, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Abiding Now

The Error of Jesus Only Doctrine

We teach there is one God manifest in three Persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. The Jesus Only people teach that Christ is the Father, He is the Son, and He is the Holy Spirit. Hence, the name, Jesus Only. I believe we can provide proper evidence from the Word of God that this is not the case and that the teaching advanced by these people is erroneous and does not accord proper due and honor to the Godhead.

The Scripture does state there is one God. But the word “one” relates to unity as well as number. I John 5:7 clearly means one in unity, as does St. John 17:11-21. And yet there are three distinct Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Context tells us whether "one" is meant "One in number" or just "One in unity".

However the fallacy here is that the Trinity is supposed to teach God is numerically One..One Being and not Three Beings. Yet the Trinitarian seemingly argues against that notion by making "One" merely a Unity and many Trinitarians take that to it's furthest logical conclusion to argue it simply means a Unity of wills or a unity of agreement and not One numerical being.

Second in Greek it's not always just context but grammar. The Greek word for One has three genders. Hen (Neuter), Heis (Masculine) and Mia (Feminine).

Hen is the word most often used to mean a Unity but does not tell us what sort of Unity or what is being unified or how.

Heis is the word most often used to mean one in number and is used by Jesus when he quotes the Shema. Hear o Israel, The Lord (Yhwh) our God (Theos, singular), the Lord is One (Heis).

Notice also the singular THEOS and the singular verb "is"?

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The Jesus Only proponents basically teach baptismal regeneration.

That is nothing to do with "Jesus Only" or the Theology you claimed we believe. Second it's not true that all Oneness people believe this and third, Historically your church, the Trinitarian church, has believed in Baptismal Regeneration right on up to Martin Luther

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In other words, the water saves.

I don't know of any OP that believes it's the water that saves us. Rather it's our faith in Him (Jesus) when we are baptised

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This teaching, plus the implication that if one is not baptized in the name of Jesus Only, their sins cannot be forgiven and they will be lost and burn in Hell eternally.

Again this is a loaded statement as not every OP makes such a claim. BTW this fellow probably believes JWs and Oneness and Muslims and Mormons and who knows who else are all lost and will burn in hell eternally too.

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We teach and preach that the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is an experience subsequent to Salvation. However, while we cherish the Baptism with the Spirit, we must reject the insistence of the Jesus Only people that the experience is necessary for Salvation.

Reject that as you will, but this was supposed to be about the ERRORS of the Jesus only Doctrine (a title I reject) and I see nothing here by way of supporting such a claim. Merely stating what you believe or they believe does not prove it is error

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We believe that the Baptism with the Spirit is a part of our Salvation, but so is Divine healing: and while this is a great blessing, it cannot be labeled as a requisite for Salvation itself. There is a difference between that which we must do in order to be saved and those blessings that come to us because we are saved.

Again merely telling people what YOU believe is not proving someone else is in error

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For more information you may call or write and request the booklet, “The Error Of The Jesus Only Doctrine” (10-028).

http://www.jsm.org/faq.html#q3

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Walks_in_islam · #3 12-14-2013, 02:35 PM

JSM.org? hahahahahahaha

http://jsm.org/

I was tempted to order this booklet. I changed my mind. Instead, I withdraw a bunch of cash from an ATM and passed it out randomly to ladies on the street. These ladies can now continue to thank jsm.org for over 20 years of support. Sorry Jimmy - you have to buy your next Jag with your own money dude.

Courtesy of 'Shiekh Google':

http://articles.latimes.com/1991-10-...jimmy-swaggart

Garcia, 31, told two television news crews that Swaggart, who was disgraced in 1988 after his contact with a New Orleans prostitute was exposed, picked her up seeking a date, a common euphemism among prostitutes for sexual contact.

"For sex, I mean that's why he stopped me, that's what I do, I'm a prostitute," she told KNBC-TV in Los Angeles. "He asked for sex," she said. "He was shaking."

In an interview with KMIR-TV in Palm Springs, Garcia said Swaggart saw a police car behind him and became agitated, swerving his 1989 Jaguar as he tried to hide pornographic magazines, causing caused him to be stopped.

Michael The Disciple · #4 12-14-2013, 03:28 PM

"Jesus Only" is the ultimate revelation of who THE CHRIST actually is.

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

I am not ashamed of it. I rejoice in it.

Back in the 80's after coming into this revelation a Sister from the Jesus People days stopped by my house. She said the Lord had led her to stop and see us. I shared Oneness with her.

She told all out friends what I had done and was offended. She then sent the booklet "The Error Of Jesus Only" to my house.

It was weak and of no value and was discarded. In the passing of time my friend went to an Apostolic Church, got baptized in Jesus name and has been Oneness now for several decades.

Praxeas · #5 12-14-2013, 03:42 PM

I always considered "Jesus only" a slur. It was coined originally I believe under the pretense we deny Father and Holy Spirit...Jesus only (Just the Son)

houston · #6 12-14-2013, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I always considered "Jesus only" a slur. It was coined originally I believe under the pretense we deny Father and Holy Spirit...Jesus only (Just the Son)

Yes, and a badge of honor to many pioneers of the message.

phareztamar · #7 12-14-2013, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Abiding Now

The Error of Jesus Only Doctrine

We teach there is one God manifest in three Persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. The Jesus Only people teach that Christ is the Father, He is the Son, and He is the Holy Spirit. Hence, the name, Jesus Only. I believe we can provide proper evidence from the Word of God that this is not the case and that the teaching advanced by these people is erroneous and does not accord proper due and honor to the Godhead.

The Scripture does state there is one God. But the word “one” relates to unity as well as number. I John 5:7 clearly means one in unity, as does St. John 17:11-21. And yet there are three distinct Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

The Jesus Only proponents basically teach baptismal regeneration. In other words, the water saves. This teaching, plus the implication that if one is not baptized in the name of Jesus Only, their sins cannot be forgiven and they will be lost and burn in Hell eternally.

We teach and preach that the Baptism with the Holy Spirit is an experience subsequent to Salvation. However, while we cherish the Baptism with the Spirit, we must reject the insistence of the Jesus Only people that the experience is necessary for Salvation. We believe that the Baptism with the Spirit is a part of our Salvation, but so is Divine healing: and while this is a great blessing, it cannot be labeled as a requisite for Salvation itself. There is a difference between that which we must do in order to be saved and those blessings that come to us because we are saved.

For more information you may call or write and request the booklet, “The Error Of The Jesus Only Doctrine” (10-028).

http://www.jsm.org/faq.html#q3

And this is that spirit of antichrist...

Praxeas · #8 12-14-2013, 04:19 PM

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Yes, and a badge of honor to many pioneers of the message.

Maybe so but it lends itself to a misconception of what Oneness is and is not imo

houston · #9 12-14-2013, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Maybe so but it lends itself to a misconception of what Oneness is and is not imo

Yep

Michael The Disciple · #10 12-14-2013, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I always considered "Jesus only" a slur. It was coined originally I believe under the pretense we deny Father and Holy Spirit...Jesus only (Just the Son)

I don't consider it a slur. I consider it the truth.

If legend be true "Christian" was coined by the enemies of the disiples of Christ.

It COULD of course cause misunderstanding but so would anything else we might adopt.

I mean the term Oneness Pentecostal is hated with a passion among the Catholic and Protestant world. So Im not going to take offense at these things but embrace them.